[Rhodes22-list] centerboard attachment
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Sat Mar 15 16:36:31 EDT 2014
Rhodies use GPS and never, ever sail in foggy weather. Blue skies and
sunshine.
Rummy
In a message dated 3/15/2014 1:17:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cover-man at comcast.net writes:
Guys,
A very good point by Stan...
Art
On Mar 7, 2014 9:34 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> a lot of misinformation here but am too busy to infringe on your fun -
> just want to remind all that no one is talking about the combination
> Keel/Diamondboard boats and that you old timers can get the same
> pivoting benefits effect by simply sailing with your prior style board
> being kept raked slightly aft. . . . . or you can buy a fixed keel boat
> and bite your tongue.
>
> ss
>
>
> On 3/7/14, 8:51 AM, Ric Stott wrote:
> > Hmm!
> > I'm very grateful for this thread and this communication.
> > I see this as an inherent and dangerous weakness in the boat.
> > I was sailing in a keel boat once long ago. We were on our way to a
> > race in Fisher's Island sound.
> > It was foggy and before GPS, we proudly knew where we were, but not
> > to the nearest yard.
> > There are some tall rocks close to the edge of the channel in
> > otherwise very deep water.
> > There was a 2 ft chop on a 2 foot swell from offshore and it was
> > low tide.
> > The wind had dropped off and we were moving only a knot or two,
> > bobbing in the bumps.
> > Cocky and content, alert and on watch, we were cruising along with the
> > chute up.
> > Suddenly, the boat dropped off a wave on the keel came down on a rock.
> > We hit so hard I bit my tung bloody from the impact. The mast and
> > rigging twanged like it broke. We quickly checked the bilge fearing
> > the worse, but to everyones surprise - no leaks.
> > An underwater inspection revealed a big dent on the bottom of the lead
> > keel.
> > If that happened in a Rhodes 22, it would have driven the CB right
> > through the cap and flooded the boat.
> > No wonder Stan builds in floatation.
> >
> > There must be a solution here.
> > What holds the garden hose in place, anybody know?
> >
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> >
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2014, at 9:58 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote:
> >
> >> I have a different take on some of these issues, don't know if I'm
> >> right,
> >> probably just a different take. I think I remember someone on the
list
> >> saying the pcv pieces slide on each side of the cb pin and act as a
> >> sacrificial bushing , so the stainless steel pivot pin doesn't eat
> >> out the
> >> fiberglass in the side and bottom of the grove. Hope I didn't dream
> >> that,
> >> because I spent a lot of time making them bushings, mine didn't have
> >> them.
> >> I'm not sure trying to limit the cb's vertical movement is the best
> >> idea. I'm thinking anything you put in the channels has a chance of
> >> falling out and jambing the cb travel. Anything hard screwed in the
> >> channels has a good chance of tearing big holes in the cb trunk and
> >> taking out both sides of the cb cap. If you think fixing the cb cap
> >> was
> >> a pain, ask Lou how much fun it is to do repairs inside the
> >> centerboard
> >> trunk.
> >> I'm thinking the best bet is to not anchor/moor in shallow water,
> >> don't
> >> motor backward in shallow water, and NEVER EVER splash the boat
unless
> >> the cb pendant is cleated with the cb in the UP position. Any other
> >> ides
> >> on this are more than welcome.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have changed the title of this exchange as it appear the topic has
> >>> morphed
> >>> from the matter of the mast post base to the question of how the
> >>> centreboard
> >>> is attached and how this might result in damage to the cap if the
> >>> centreboard is not held in the up position when launching.
> >>>
> >>> My centreboard pivot pin rides in two vertical channels in the
> >>> housing
> >>> that
> >>> are about 5" long. Those grooves are very clear in the second photo
> >>> that
> >>> Rob
> >>> Lowe just posted. As I saw it, the channels would allow the pin to
be
> >>> dropped down to the proper position without the need to insert the
> >>> pin
> >>> from
> >>> the outside of the housing. It now occurs to me that this design
> >>> might
> >>> also have been intended to allow the pivot pin to rise up inside the
> >>> housing
> >>> should the centreboard hit something. Makes sense although perhaps
> >>> not if
> >>> this would allow the centreboard to damage the cap.
> >>>
> >>> In my case two length of .5 inch rigid PVC pipe were placed in each
> >>> channel
> >>> above the pin. It appears that these pipes were intended to prevent
> >>> the
> >>> pin
> >>> from rising up. As I mentioned earlier, I was pretty sure that the
> >>> cap had
> >>> never been removed and assumed, therefore, that the pieces of pipe
> >>> were
> >>> part
> >>> of the original design. Now I am beginning to wonder if this was
> >>> some kind
> >>> of retrofit by a previous owner who, perhaps, was responding to
> >>> damage
> >>> caused when the centreboard was pushed into the cap.
> >>>
> >>> I am inclined to leave the pieces of pipe out when I reinstall the
> >>> centreboard or perhaps search for something that might act as a
shock
> >>> absorber but still allow the board to raise up if it hits a solid
> >>> object.
> >>> Perhaps shorter lengths of flexible plastic tubing would work.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone else found a similar arrangement in the pivot pin
channel?
> >>> Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> >>> Sent: March-06-14 3:13 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Searching the archives and settled
> >>> step >now
> >>> mast step cb leak
> >>>
> >>> It seems like there are various versions of CB and the lift
> >>> systems. Here
> >>> are some photos that someone (I forgot who, sorry!) posted of their
> >>> CB
> >>> taken
> >>> apart. - rob
> >>>
> >>> h
ttp://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200507/14/Getaway1.jpg
> >>>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200507/14/Getaway2.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:00 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Searching the archives and settled
> >>> step >now
> >>> mast step cb leak
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Graham
> >>> It might have been cracked when they loaded it onto a trailer to
> >>> launch
> >>> last
> >>> spring and delivered it to me.
> >>> It was a transport trailer.
> >>> Sam replied that the pendant had to be cleated when trailered, or
> >>> it would
> >>> cause a crack.
> >>> I'd like to understand the mechanics of that reply.
> >>> Is the top or aft edge of the CB that close to the cap, and what
> >>> component
> >>> would allow it to move vertically, a hinge pin?
> >>> Is there a CB diagram anywhere?
> >>> I think it was leaking, but very little until later in the season
> >>> then
> >>> - after a storm, it got much worse.
> >>> The boat may have been on the bottom or bounced on the bottom at a
> >>> very
> >>> low
> >>> tide.
> >>> I'll take it apart when it warms up.
> >>> Pendant - Braided nylon is very stretchy - is that what we want?
> >>> Ric
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>
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