[Rhodes22-list] centerboard attachment

R22RumRunner at aol.com R22RumRunner at aol.com
Sat Mar 15 16:48:03 EDT 2014


Ric,
Really? You think that it would go through the centerboard cap?The bottom  
of the old style center board is rounded. The odds of taking a perfect 
direct  hit with no forward motion are so remote I won't take the time to 
calculate it.  Again, this is a what if scenario without it ever having happened in 
my Rhodes  life. I have seen a whole lot of other things go wrong while 
sailing, but do not  try to find a scenario that finds fault with our Rhodes 
where one does not  exist. Give me a real life experience and we will try to 
find a reason for it  happening and why and try not to do it again. There is 
nothing wrong with either  centerboard design in my opinion and most of the 
Rhodes nation would agree. Are  you an engineer by any chance? I have found 
that engineers do not make very good  sailors. They tend to over think 
everything and forget why they are out sailing  in the first place: to drink 
alcohol. Massive quantities of alcohol.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 3/15/2014 4:36:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:

Rhodies  use GPS and never, ever sail in foggy weather. Blue skies and   
sunshine.

Rummy


In a message dated 3/15/2014 1:17:33  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cover-man at comcast.net  writes:

Guys,

A very good point by Stan...

Art

On  Mar  7, 2014 9:34 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>  wrote:
>
>  a lot of misinformation here but am too busy to  infringe on your fun -  
> just want to remind all that no one is  talking about the combination  
> Keel/Diamondboard boats and that  you old timers can get the same  
> pivoting benefits effect by  simply sailing with your prior style  board 
> being kept raked  slightly aft. . . . . or you can buy a fixed  keel boat 
> and bite  your tongue. 
>
> ss  
>
>
> On 3/7/14,  8:51 AM, Ric Stott wrote: 
> >  Hmm! 
> > I'm very  grateful for this thread and this communication.  
> > I see  this as an inherent and dangerous weakness in the boat.  
> > I  was sailing in a keel boat once long ago. We were on our way  to a  
> > race in Fisher's Island sound. 
> > It was foggy   and before GPS, we proudly knew  where we were, but not 
> >  to  the nearest yard. 
> > There are some tall rocks close to  the edge of  the channel in 
> > otherwise very deep water.  
> > There  was a 2  ft chop  on a 2  foot swell  from offshore and it was  
> > low tide. 
> > The wind  had dropped off and we were  moving only a knot or two, 
> >  bobbing in the bumps. 
> >  Cocky and content, alert and on  watch, we were cruising along with 
the 

> > chute up. 
>  > Suddenly, the boat dropped off a wave on  the keel came down on a  
rock. 
> > We hit so hard I bit my tung   bloody from the  impact. The mast and 
> > rigging twanged like it  broke. We  quickly checked the bilge fearing 
> > the worse, but to   everyones surprise - no leaks. 
> > An underwater inspection  revealed  a big dent on the bottom of the 
lead 
> > keel.  
> > If that  happened in a Rhodes 22, it would have driven the  CB right 
> >  through the cap and flooded the boat. 
>  > No wonder Stan builds in  floatation. 
> > 
> >  There must be a solution here.  
> > What holds the garden hose  in place, anybody know? 
> >  
> > Ric 
> >  Dadventure 
> > 
> >  
> > On Mar 6, 2014, at  9:58 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: 
>  > 
> >> I have  a different take on some of these issues, don't  know if I'm 
>  >> right, 
> >> probably just a  different take. I  think I remember someone on the 
list 
> >>  saying the  pcv pieces slide on each side of the cb pin and act as a 
>   >> sacrificial bushing , so the stainless steel pivot pin doesn't  eat  
> >> out the 
> >> fiberglass in the side  and bottom  of the grove. Hope I didn't dream 
> >> that,  
> >>  because I spent a lot of time making them bushings,  mine didn't have 
>  >> them. 
> >>    I'm not sure trying to limit the  cb's vertical movement is the 
best  
> >> idea. I'm thinking  anything you put in the channels  has a chance of 
> >> falling out  and jambing the cb travel.  Anything hard screwed in the 
> >>  channels has a good  chance of tearing big holes in the cb trunk and 
>  >> taking  out both sides of the cb cap. If you think fixing the cb cap  
>  >> was 
> >> a pain, ask Lou how much fun it is to  do  repairs inside the 
> >> centerboard 
> >>  trunk.  
> >>   I'm thinking the best bet is to not  anchor/moor  in shallow water, 
> >> don't 
> >>  motor backward in  shallow water, and NEVER EVER splash the boat  
unless 
> >> the cb  pendant is cleated with the cb in  the UP position. Any other 
> >>  ides 
> >> on  this are more than welcome. 
> >>  
> >>   Jerry 
> >> 
>  >> 
> >>  
> >>> I have changed the title of  this exchange as it  appear the topic 
has 
> >>> morphed  
> >>>  from the matter of the mast post base to the question of  how the  
> >>> centreboard 
> >>> is attached  and  how this might result in damage to the cap if the 
> >>>   centreboard is not held in the up position when launching. 
>   >>> 
> >>> My centreboard pivot pin rides in two   vertical channels in the 
> >>> housing 
>  >>>  that 
> >>> are about 5" long. Those grooves  are very clear in  the second photo 
> >>> that 
>  >>> Rob 
>  >>> Lowe just posted. As I saw it,  the channels would allow the pin  to 
be 
> >>> dropped  down to the proper position without the  need to insert the 
>  >>> pin 
> >>> from  
> >>> the  outside of the housing.  It now occurs to  me  that this design  
> >>> might 
> >>>  also have been  intended to allow the pivot pin to rise up inside 
the 
>   >>> housing 
> >>> should the centreboard hit   something. Makes sense although perhaps 
> >>> not if  
>  >>> this would allow the centreboard to damage the  cap. 
>  >>> 
> >>> In my case two length  of .5 inch rigid  PVC  pipe were placed in 
each 
>  >>> channel 
>  >>> above the pin. It appears  that these pipes were intended to  
prevent 
> >>> the  
> >>> pin 
>  >>> from rising up. As I  mentioned earlier, I was pretty sure that  the 
> >>> cap  had 
> >>> never been removed and  assumed, therefore,  that the pieces of pipe 
> >>> were  
> >>>  part 
> >>> of the original design. Now I  am beginning to  wonder if this was 
> >>> some kind 
>  >>>  of retrofit by a previous owner who, perhaps, was responding to  
>  >>> damage 
> >>> caused when the centreboard   was pushed into the cap. 
> >>> 
> >>> I  am  inclined to leave the pieces of pipe out when I reinstall the  
>  >>> centreboard or perhaps search for something that  might act as a  
shock 
> >>> absorber but still allow  the board to raise up if  it hits a solid 
> >>> object.  
> >>> Perhaps  shorter lengths of flexible plastic tubing  would work. 
> >>>  
> >>> Has anyone else  found a similar arrangement in the pivot  pin 
channel? 
>  >>> Any thoughts? 
> >>>  
> >>>  Graham 
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>>  -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >>>   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob  
>  >>> Sent: March-06-14 3:13 PM 
> >>>  To: The Rhodes 22  Email List 
> >>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Searching the  archives and settled 
> >>>  step >now 
> >>>  mast step cb leak 
>  >>> 
> >>> It seems like  there are various  versions of CB and the lift 
> >>>  systems.  Here  
> >>> are some photos that someone (I  forgot who,  sorry!) posted of their 
> >>> CB 
>  >>>  taken 
> >>> apart. - rob 
> >>>  
>  >>>   h
ttp://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200507/14/Getaway1.jpg 
  
> >>>   
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch
/200507/14/Getaway2.jpg   
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>  
>  >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>>  From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >>>   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott  
>  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:00 PM 
>  >>> To:  The Rhodes 22 Email List 
> >>> Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Searching the archives and settled 
>  >>> step >now 
>  >>> mast step cb leak  
> >>> 
> >>>  Thanks Graham 
>  >>> It might have been cracked when they  loaded it onto a  trailer to 
> >>> launch 
> >>>  last  
> >>> spring and delivered it to me. 
>   >>> It was a transport trailer. 
> >>> Sam  replied  that the pendant had to be cleated when trailered, or 
>  >>> it  would 
> >>> cause a crack. 
>  >>> I'd like to  understand the mechanics of that reply.  
> >>> Is the top or  aft edge of the CB that close to the  cap, and what 
> >>>  component 
> >>>  would allow it to move vertically, a hinge  pin? 
> >>> Is  there a CB diagram anywhere? 
>  >>> I think it was  leaking, but very little until later in the season  
> >>>  then 
> >>> - after a storm, it got much  worse. 
>  >>> The boat may have been on the bottom or bounced  on the  bottom at a 
> >>> very 
> >>> low   
> >>> tide. 
> >>> I'll take it apart when  it  warms up. 
> >>> Pendant - Braided nylon is very  stretchy - is  that what we want? 
> >>> Ric 
>  >>> 
>  >>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Graham  Stewart wrote: 
>  >>> 
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