[Rhodes22-list] Ballast
The Rhodes 22 Email List
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Apr 2 12:39:48 EDT 2015
In my opinion the 170% overlap Genoa is too much for the Rhodes 22 and the
130% will be a much better balance and will not overpower the boat in the
slightest puff.
I am saying this without having tried the 130% yet, but just my 2 cents...
Richard
S/V Waif
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:31 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> I'll jump in here with no real expertise but a lot time of time
> sailing the boat. While the Rhodes is "tippery" as a good friend used
> to say, that is what sailboats do - they heel - unless it's a big
> cruising catamaran.
>
> If your boat has ballast installed by Stan at General Boats, I'd
> leave it as is with the caveat that Stan has said to me and to others
> that the boat sails best with some weight in the bow. We do sail with
> our water tank full and keep our spare anchor up forward. If you
> don't want to do that, then the equivalent weight forward of the mast
> might improve your boats handling but it will still heel in a gust.
>
> One of the joys of the R22 is how well it does in light air and that
> it does handle somewhat like a big dinghy. I would think that enough
> weight to make a difference in heeling, would make the boat sluggish and
> slow.
>
> As one of those sailors who used to get white-knuckled when a boat
> heels and who still gets white-knuckled when I think we are close to
> being overpowered, all I can say is reef the sails for the conditions
> and help people find ways to enjoy the experience. For me that
> involved finding hand holds, figuring out how to brace myself on the
> opposite seat (not easy when you are only 5 ft. tall) and knowing
> that the boat was going to take care of us.
>
> Best,
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
>
>
> At 11:44 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
> >This is an interesting conversation.
> >I have a standard rig '84 model.
> >My dad bought it used in '89
> >A life long sailor and racer, I always found the boat very sensitive
> >to healing and wind gusts often make my passengers white knuckled,
> >and hanging from the stanchions if I'm not quick enough on the main
> >sheet. It behaves more like a dingy than a keel boat. My wife, a
> >non sailor, says the boat is too tippy and will not go with me if
> >the wind is more than a ripple.
> >Will adding extra ballast improve that?
> >Are newer models just as sensitive?
> >Does the diamond keel change those characteristics?
> >Ric
> >Dadventure
> >Hampton Bays, NY
> >
> >On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > How many Rhodies have added ballast? If so where and how much?
> > >
> > > Bob (palatka)
> > >
> > >> On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:49 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have a 1996 R22 (recycled 2012). Last spring I placed seven 26 lb.
> lead
> > >> bricks (2" x 4"x 8") alongside and forward of the centerboard trunk. I
> > >> cannot really gauge the effect since there are so many variables
> affecting
> > >> how a sailboat responds to steadily increasing windspeeds or to
> > a gust. If
> > >> I add any more ballast I would, per Stan, place it father forward, on
> the
> > >> centerline just aft of the vee berth bulkhead and as low as possible.
> > >> Richard Arking R22 on Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn NY
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The boat is right beside me here in Ontario near Kingston. Want
> > a beautiful
> > >>> 55' steel cutter hull?
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> 22
> > >>> Email
> > >>> List
> > >>> Sent: April-01-15 3:36 PM
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham,
> > >>>
> > >>> Lead will soon be the new gold.
> > >>> Not really... but it IS getting harder to find with the latest EPA
> > >>> regulations. Where is your friend's boat?
> > >>>
> > >>> Todd T.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 at 2:05 PM
> > >>> From: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast
> > >>> Sometime in 1976 the internal ballast changed from Steel bricks to
> > >>> cement. I
> > >>> don't know what is used today. Steel is obviously much denser than
> > >>> cement so
> > >>> I expect that the actual ballast weight is greater with steel than
> > >>> with the
> > >>> cement unless the volume of the cement is considerably larger.
> > >>> My neighbour has given up on the construction of a 55' steel cutter
> > >>> after
> > >>> working on it for 40 years - on and off. As a result he has tons
> > >>> (literally)
> > >>> of lead bricks and I can buy some for Agile. I had thought about
> > >>> placing
> > >>> some on either side of the centreboard housing and forward along
> with
> >
> > >>> the
> > >>> steel bricks that are there already.
> > >>> Does anyone have any thoughts about how one might determine where
> and
> >
> > >>> how
> > >>> much ballast might be added? At this point I am thinking that I will
> > >>> place
> > >>> some bricks loose in the bilge and play with the distribution until
> it
> > >>> feels
> > >>> right - but that could constitute a lot of fiddling. All that time
> > >>> spent
> > >>> sailing detracts substantially from the time I have available to
> work
> >
> > >>> on the
> > >>> repair of the boat.
> > >>> Graham
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
> Rhodes 22
> > >>> Email
> > >>> List
> > >>> Sent: April-01-15 1:32 PM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
> > >>> Graham:
> > >>> Ok. I didnt add the extra ballast. It had it already. I called it
> > >>> "extra"
> > >>> since i consider needing to add internal ballast a design flaw or a
> > >>> building
> > >>> shortcut (i.e. Concrete instead of lead). But hey i am not
> criticizing
> > >>> the
> > >>> boat, just explaining my word choice.
> > >>> Yes i too am adding LIMBER HOLES too. At 4 am i woke up remembering
> > >>> that i
> > >>> called them "stringer scuppers" yesterday which isnt nautically
> > >>> correct!
> > >>> Hahaha!
> > >>> For the main center floor stringers i cut them from 2x6" pressure
> > >>> treated
> > >>> lumber. The wider area will make adding the floor and bilge
> inspection
> > >>> hatch easier and acually was cheaper than 5/4" deck wood.
> > >>> I am still deciding what to do about my hull/deck joint. Access is
> > >>> good
> > >>> from inside at this point. I found these great caulk gun tubes of
> two
> >
> > >>> part
> > >>> epoxy that mix as you pump it that i should be able to use to easily
> > >>> fill
> > >>> the joint. We will see! The other option is the Np-1 Rummy
> > >>> recommended.
> > >>> I think that there is also a fair amount of water that finds its way
> > >>> into
> > >>> the bilge from condensation. I am designing a solar powered bilge
> > >>> dryer.
> > >>> Another "we will see"
> > >>> Another idea is that i am adding floor vents to keep air moving
> under
> >
> > >>> the
> > >>> floor boards and to allow the bilge to dry.
> > >>> Bob (palatka)
> > >>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 1:12 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bob:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When you say that you installed "extra" ballast I am wondering what
> > >>>> was there already and how much you added. I would like to add some
> > >>>> myself but don't know how much or where exactly to put it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The stringers under the settee and galley rotted out for me as well.
> > >>>> Water gets trapped there - especially under the galley where it is
> > >>> not
> > >>>> visible and rots out the wood. The source of water for me primarily
> > >>>> was a leaking hull deck join. I have glassed the joint so that
> > >>> should
> > >>>> finally end the leaks but I also put drain holes in the bottom of
> > >>> the
> > >>>> stringers to ensure that any water that makes its way in, and it
> > >>> will,
> > >>>> can drain out on its own. Further, I put an inspection hole in the
> > >>>> bottom self of the galley so I can reach in to the space should I
> > >>> want
> > >>>> to check for water or retrieve anything the might fall in behind the
> > >>>> shelf. I am also encapsulating the settee and galley stringers in
> > >>>> multiple coats of epoxy. I am putting white Formica laminate on the
> > >>>> face of these pieces and all other wood surfaces to give a
> > >>> maintenance
> > >>> free and easy to clean interior.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> With the floor stringers I am intending to use pressure treated deck
> > >>> boards.
> > >>>> A previous owner used pressure treated fence boards and while they
> > >>>> stood up very well to rot and held to epoxy very well, being only
> > >>> 1/2"
> > >>>> thick did not give a sufficient area to screw the deck boards to. Of
> > >>>> course I will be putting drain holes in them as well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Graham
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> > >>> 22
> > >>>> Email List
> > >>>> Sent: March-31-15 10:05 PM
> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mine is a 1983 and is in excellent condition for a boat of that age.
> > >>>> (I have had three 1983 sailboats and one 1982 sailboat) My deck is
> > >>> rock
> > >>> solid!
> > >>>> I can see under the front of my cockpit floor and it seems to have
> > >>>> pine boards set in the glass but not real sure. That floor is also
> > >>> rock
> > >>> solid.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My floor rotted out most likely because it was stored with the hatch
> > >>> open.
> > >>>> There was one design "flaw" and it was that there were several areas
> > >>>> that trapped water. I am making sure all water can get to the bilge
> > >>>> pump. I am sure Stan probably puts in bilge scuppers in these
> > >>> stringers
> > >>> now.
> > >>>> I am rebuilding these with pressure treated wood/plywood. I dried it
> > >>>> out for several months so fiberglass will stick to it. I also have
> > >>>> had good luck with waterproof construction adhesive holding it in
> > >>>> place until the glass goes off.
> > >>>> Oh and my extra ballast is concrete glassed over just forward of the
> > >>>> main bulkhead.
> > >>>> I sealed this over with fiberglass cloth soaked in epoxy when i
> > >>> placed
> > >>>> the main bulkhead base. I didnt want the moisture in the concrete to
> > >>>> keep the wood wet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bob (palatka)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:35 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Bob:
> > >>>>> Don't let me spook you. Any boat that old is bound to have some
> > >>>>> problems but just about anything can be fixed. The trick is to not
> > >>>>> let problems go too long - especially problems with the deck core.
> > >>>>> Some, if not all, of the problems I identified are probably unique
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> my boat. I don't know whether the contractors who built the older
> > >>>>> boats did the layup or just assembled the parts. Nor do I know how
> > >>>>> many contractors were used and what the differences might be
> > >>> between
> > >>> them.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Many of the older boats have problems with the floor stringers
> > >>>>> rotting out - which is not a surprise given that the bilge is often
> > >>>>> wet and the stringers are wood.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What is the ballast arrangement with your boat? In mine I have a
> > >>>>> stack of steel bars fiberglassed to the hull just forward of the
> > >>>>> forward
> > >>>> bulkhead.
> > >>>>> Some boats apparently have cement there.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Graham
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
> Rhodes
> > >>>>> 22 Email List
> > >>>>> Sent: March-31-15 6:55 PM
> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What years were built where and by whom?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Bob (palatka)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> invitation!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's
> > >>> unsettling.
> > >>>>>> I will check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have
> > >>> had.
> > >>>>>> And the other flaws you detected.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Much appreciated,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jefferson
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > >>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jefferson:
> > >>>>>>> You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is
> > >>> fixed
> > >>>>>>> in place and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>>> this purpose. No need for a separate holding tank.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and
> > >>> can
> > >>>>>>> tie up at my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also
> > >>>>>>> have a mooring that you can use. I am located just west of
> > >>> Lemoines
> > >>>>>>> Point on the north Shore of Lake Ontario.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976
> > >>>>>>> and as a result some of the construction details were lacking. A
> > >>>>>>> few things that you might want to check on the boat that might
> > >>>>>>> cause problems.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> - The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
> > >>>>>>> - the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went
> > >>>>>>> through the deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't
> > >>>>>>> have a holding tank but that is a prime spot for water to make
> > >>> its
> > >>>>>>> way into the core.. The softness that my deck developed when
> > >>> walked
> > >>>>>>> on was not due to rot as I suspected but was because the deck
> > >>> skin
> > >>>>>>> simply separated from the core, There was minimal sealant used to
> > >>>>>>> join the two surfaces and it simply let go. That is actually good
> > >>>>>>> news as it is possible to reattach the core by injecting epoxy
> > >>>>>>> under the skin rather than having to remove the deck and replace
> > >>> the
> > >>> core.
> > >>>>>>> I
> > >>>>> discovered this the hard way.
> > >>>>>>> - The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
> > >>>>>>> centreboard slot. I could only see it by laying flat on my back
> > >>>>>>> right under the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The
> > >>>>>>> sharp corner seems to be the weakest point. Of course you might
> > >>>>>>> well not have that problem and I have no idea why it developed in
> > >>>>>>> mine, but by the time I realized that I had this problem it was
> > >>>>>>> probably years from the time it started and a crack had spread
> > >>> all
> > >>>>>>> the way around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the
> > >>> problem
> > >>>>>>> when I saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel. I
> > >>>>>>> suspect that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered
> > >>>>>>> that there were large voids in the keel where water could collect
> > >>>>>>> in substantial volume if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> resin to fill the voids that I was able to find. My advice is to
> > >>>>>>> check it out before you launch. You probably will not have that
> > >>>>>>> problem but given that our boats were built so close together and
> > >>>>>>> potentially by the same builder it might be a reasonably prudent
> > >>>> examination to make.
> > >>>>>>> - The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a
> > >>> layer
> > >>>>>>> of fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like
> > >>> 3M
> > >>>>>>> 5200. I suspect that might have been a repair done by a
> > >>> subsequent
> > >>>>>>> owner but I can't be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and
> > >>>>>>> impossible to do so without badly damaging it.
> > >>>>>>> - When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>> gelcoat and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the
> > >>>>>>> boat sat against the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it
> > >>>>>>> isn't difficult to fix and the repair is ultimately covered by
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>> bottom paint. I would look carefully in that area especially if
> > >>> you
> > >>>>>>> remove the existing paint. I repaired the glass by grinding out
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>> damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers of cloth and
> > >>> epoxy.
> > >>>>>>> I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the hull this
> > >>>>>>> summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin
> > >>>>>>> there and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with
> > >>>>>>> thicker hulls to address that problem.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them
> > >>>>>>> will apply to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and
> > >>> you
> > >>>>>>> might be reassured to know they aren't a problem in your case.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Take care,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Graham Stewart
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
> > >>> Rhodes
> > >>>>>>> 22 Email List
> > >>>>>>> Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two
> > >>> Rhodes
> > >>>>>>> in the whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a
> > >>>>>>> Catalina 22 - a very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My sympathies for your major restoration. I have neither the
> > >>>>>>> skills nor the patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But
> > >>>>>>> it is good to know someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>> know Bath well. Beautiful country, and great sailing around
> > >>>>>>> Kingston. I'd love to trailer my boat up there - going up the
> > >>>>>>> Richelieu from Lake Champlain and then up through the endless
> > >>> locks
> > >>>>>>> to Lake Ontario is something I have done once and don't need to
> > >>> do
> > >>>>>>> again! But I read somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on
> > >>>>>>> Ontario lakes so I'd have to plumb in a head and holding tank or
> > >>> risk
> > >>> getting busted.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin
> > >>>>>>> taking stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jefferson
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > >>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jefferson:
> > >>>>>>>> I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22
> > >>> boats
> > >>>>>>>> in Canada. Welcome.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976
> > >>> as
> > >>> well.
> > >>>>>>>> The
> > >>>>>>>> number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>>> July of that year so they should be almost identical. I have
> > >>> been
> > >>>>>>>> doing a major restoration and in the process have dissected
> > >>> almost
> > >>>>>>>> every part of the boat so if you need to know more about what is
> > >>>>>>>> under the skin of the boat I should be able to tell you. I am
> > >>>>>>>> located on Lake Ontario at Kinston.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here is to great sailing.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Graham
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
> > >>>>>>>> Rhodes
> > >>>>>>>> 22 Email List
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
> > >>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76.
> > >>>>>>>> Despite my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's
> > >>>>>>>> design I would likely not have dared to make the jump if I
> > >>> hadn't
> > >>>>>>>> discovered this site and the generosity and patience of its
> > >>>>>>>> contributors. I feel honoured to join your ranks.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of
> > >>> time
> > >>>>>>>> when dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies,
> > >>>>>>>> then Rhodes Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>>> most recently Flying Scots. I discovered cruising when a good
> > >>>>>>>> friend bought a Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2
> > >>>>>>>> foot-itis - 25 became a Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and
> > >>>>>>>> finally a Mirage 26. We sailed on Lake
> > >>>>>>> Ontario, up the St.
> > >>>>>>>> Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain -
> > >>>>>>>> which is really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles
> > >>>>>>>> wide in
> > >>>>> places.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I
> > >>>>>>>> going to do?
> > >>>>>>>> After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in
> > >>> love.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate
> > >>> consider
> > >>>>>>>> how long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the
> > >>>>>>>> previous owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the
> > >>>>>>>> boat in 1976, from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the
> > >>>>>>>> options the original owner chose the bill for a brand spanking
> > >>> new
> > >>>>>>>> Rhodes Continental came to $8,095. The second owner bought the
> > >>>>>>>> boat in the early '80's andy sailed it on the Ottawa River, and
> > >>>>>>>> then 22 years ago, so he told me, they bought a cottage on a
> > >>> lake
> > >>>>>>>> too small for sailing and it has remained on its trailer under
> > >>> cover
> > >>> ever since.
> > >>>>>>>> I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced
> > >>>>>>>> than I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original,
> > >>>>>>>> including cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner
> > >>>>>>>> alcohol stove that was standard on RC models in '76. It is
> > >>>>>>>> equipped with a 150 genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly
> > >>>>>>>> cosmetic, aside from running rigging which needs to be updated,
> > >>>>>>>> and if it doesn't sink to the bottom on launch day I'll be
> > >>> delighted.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I
> > >>> work
> > >>>>>>>> on it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the
> > >>> price
> > >>>>>>>> I paid to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't
> > >>> pay
> > >>>>>>>> much, and in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do
> > >>>>>>>> anyway. I'm not sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from
> > >>>>>>>> General Boats, given the current exchange rates and my own
> > >>> budget.
> > >>>>>>>> But it will be my first stop when I go shopping.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting
> > >>> snow.
> > >>>>>>>> I have about six million questions but will try not to test your
> > >>>>>>>> patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in
> > >>>>>>>> the address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to
> > >>>>>>>> scour the archives for answers.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jefferson Lewis
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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