[Rhodes22-list] Ballast
The Rhodes 22 Email List
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Apr 2 12:55:21 EDT 2015
Agreed - Richard and Mary Lou - thanks
I want to see Stan’s new Jib furling system which he claims will allow jib changes without dropping the mast.
The 130 is certainly a better choice for most of the sailing I do on Shinnecock and Moriches bay and near coast off-shore.
I’m hoping its a less expensive alternative to a standard jib furler, like Shchaffer or harken, with a rolling luff groove head stay.
Personally, I like high wind, high adventure and edge-of-control kind of sailing.
I don’t race the rhodes.
Ric
Dadventure
On Apr 2, 2015, at 12:39 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> In my opinion the 170% overlap Genoa is too much for the Rhodes 22 and the
> 130% will be a much better balance and will not overpower the boat in the
> slightest puff.
>
> I am saying this without having tried the 130% yet, but just my 2 cents...
>
> Richard
> S/V Waif
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:31 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> I'll jump in here with no real expertise but a lot time of time
>> sailing the boat. While the Rhodes is "tippery" as a good friend used
>> to say, that is what sailboats do - they heel - unless it's a big
>> cruising catamaran.
>>
>> If your boat has ballast installed by Stan at General Boats, I'd
>> leave it as is with the caveat that Stan has said to me and to others
>> that the boat sails best with some weight in the bow. We do sail with
>> our water tank full and keep our spare anchor up forward. If you
>> don't want to do that, then the equivalent weight forward of the mast
>> might improve your boats handling but it will still heel in a gust.
>>
>> One of the joys of the R22 is how well it does in light air and that
>> it does handle somewhat like a big dinghy. I would think that enough
>> weight to make a difference in heeling, would make the boat sluggish and
>> slow.
>>
>> As one of those sailors who used to get white-knuckled when a boat
>> heels and who still gets white-knuckled when I think we are close to
>> being overpowered, all I can say is reef the sails for the conditions
>> and help people find ways to enjoy the experience. For me that
>> involved finding hand holds, figuring out how to brace myself on the
>> opposite seat (not easy when you are only 5 ft. tall) and knowing
>> that the boat was going to take care of us.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>
>>
>> At 11:44 AM 4/2/2015, you wrote:
>>> This is an interesting conversation.
>>> I have a standard rig '84 model.
>>> My dad bought it used in '89
>>> A life long sailor and racer, I always found the boat very sensitive
>>> to healing and wind gusts often make my passengers white knuckled,
>>> and hanging from the stanchions if I'm not quick enough on the main
>>> sheet. It behaves more like a dingy than a keel boat. My wife, a
>>> non sailor, says the boat is too tippy and will not go with me if
>>> the wind is more than a ripple.
>>> Will adding extra ballast improve that?
>>> Are newer models just as sensitive?
>>> Does the diamond keel change those characteristics?
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> Hampton Bays, NY
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many Rhodies have added ballast? If so where and how much?
>>>>
>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:49 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 1996 R22 (recycled 2012). Last spring I placed seven 26 lb.
>> lead
>>>>> bricks (2" x 4"x 8") alongside and forward of the centerboard trunk. I
>>>>> cannot really gauge the effect since there are so many variables
>> affecting
>>>>> how a sailboat responds to steadily increasing windspeeds or to
>>> a gust. If
>>>>> I add any more ballast I would, per Stan, place it father forward, on
>> the
>>>>> centerline just aft of the vee berth bulkhead and as low as possible.
>>>>> Richard Arking R22 on Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn NY
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The boat is right beside me here in Ontario near Kingston. Want
>>> a beautiful
>>>>>> 55' steel cutter hull?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>> 22
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> List
>>>>>> Sent: April-01-15 3:36 PM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lead will soon be the new gold.
>>>>>> Not really... but it IS getting harder to find with the latest EPA
>>>>>> regulations. Where is your friend's boat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 at 2:05 PM
>>>>>> From: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast
>>>>>> Sometime in 1976 the internal ballast changed from Steel bricks to
>>>>>> cement. I
>>>>>> don't know what is used today. Steel is obviously much denser than
>>>>>> cement so
>>>>>> I expect that the actual ballast weight is greater with steel than
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> cement unless the volume of the cement is considerably larger.
>>>>>> My neighbour has given up on the construction of a 55' steel cutter
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> working on it for 40 years - on and off. As a result he has tons
>>>>>> (literally)
>>>>>> of lead bricks and I can buy some for Agile. I had thought about
>>>>>> placing
>>>>>> some on either side of the centreboard housing and forward along
>> with
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> steel bricks that are there already.
>>>>>> Does anyone have any thoughts about how one might determine where
>> and
>>>
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> much ballast might be added? At this point I am thinking that I will
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> some bricks loose in the bilge and play with the distribution until
>> it
>>>>>> feels
>>>>>> right - but that could constitute a lot of fiddling. All that time
>>>>>> spent
>>>>>> sailing detracts substantially from the time I have available to
>> work
>>>
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> repair of the boat.
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
>> Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> List
>>>>>> Sent: April-01-15 1:32 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>> Graham:
>>>>>> Ok. I didnt add the extra ballast. It had it already. I called it
>>>>>> "extra"
>>>>>> since i consider needing to add internal ballast a design flaw or a
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> shortcut (i.e. Concrete instead of lead). But hey i am not
>> criticizing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> boat, just explaining my word choice.
>>>>>> Yes i too am adding LIMBER HOLES too. At 4 am i woke up remembering
>>>>>> that i
>>>>>> called them "stringer scuppers" yesterday which isnt nautically
>>>>>> correct!
>>>>>> Hahaha!
>>>>>> For the main center floor stringers i cut them from 2x6" pressure
>>>>>> treated
>>>>>> lumber. The wider area will make adding the floor and bilge
>> inspection
>>>>>> hatch easier and acually was cheaper than 5/4" deck wood.
>>>>>> I am still deciding what to do about my hull/deck joint. Access is
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> from inside at this point. I found these great caulk gun tubes of
>> two
>>>
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> epoxy that mix as you pump it that i should be able to use to easily
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>> the joint. We will see! The other option is the Np-1 Rummy
>>>>>> recommended.
>>>>>> I think that there is also a fair amount of water that finds its way
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the bilge from condensation. I am designing a solar powered bilge
>>>>>> dryer.
>>>>>> Another "we will see"
>>>>>> Another idea is that i am adding floor vents to keep air moving
>> under
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> floor boards and to allow the bilge to dry.
>>>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 1:12 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you say that you installed "extra" ballast I am wondering what
>>>>>>> was there already and how much you added. I would like to add some
>>>>>>> myself but don't know how much or where exactly to put it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stringers under the settee and galley rotted out for me as well.
>>>>>>> Water gets trapped there - especially under the galley where it is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> visible and rots out the wood. The source of water for me primarily
>>>>>>> was a leaking hull deck join. I have glassed the joint so that
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> finally end the leaks but I also put drain holes in the bottom of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stringers to ensure that any water that makes its way in, and it
>>>>>> will,
>>>>>>> can drain out on its own. Further, I put an inspection hole in the
>>>>>>> bottom self of the galley so I can reach in to the space should I
>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to check for water or retrieve anything the might fall in behind the
>>>>>>> shelf. I am also encapsulating the settee and galley stringers in
>>>>>>> multiple coats of epoxy. I am putting white Formica laminate on the
>>>>>>> face of these pieces and all other wood surfaces to give a
>>>>>> maintenance
>>>>>> free and easy to clean interior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the floor stringers I am intending to use pressure treated deck
>>>>>> boards.
>>>>>>> A previous owner used pressure treated fence boards and while they
>>>>>>> stood up very well to rot and held to epoxy very well, being only
>>>>>> 1/2"
>>>>>>> thick did not give a sufficient area to screw the deck boards to. Of
>>>>>>> course I will be putting drain holes in them as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>>>> 22
>>>>>>> Email List
>>>>>>> Sent: March-31-15 10:05 PM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mine is a 1983 and is in excellent condition for a boat of that age.
>>>>>>> (I have had three 1983 sailboats and one 1982 sailboat) My deck is
>>>>>> rock
>>>>>> solid!
>>>>>>> I can see under the front of my cockpit floor and it seems to have
>>>>>>> pine boards set in the glass but not real sure. That floor is also
>>>>>> rock
>>>>>> solid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My floor rotted out most likely because it was stored with the hatch
>>>>>> open.
>>>>>>> There was one design "flaw" and it was that there were several areas
>>>>>>> that trapped water. I am making sure all water can get to the bilge
>>>>>>> pump. I am sure Stan probably puts in bilge scuppers in these
>>>>>> stringers
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> I am rebuilding these with pressure treated wood/plywood. I dried it
>>>>>>> out for several months so fiberglass will stick to it. I also have
>>>>>>> had good luck with waterproof construction adhesive holding it in
>>>>>>> place until the glass goes off.
>>>>>>> Oh and my extra ballast is concrete glassed over just forward of the
>>>>>>> main bulkhead.
>>>>>>> I sealed this over with fiberglass cloth soaked in epoxy when i
>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>> the main bulkhead base. I didnt want the moisture in the concrete to
>>>>>>> keep the wood wet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:35 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob:
>>>>>>>> Don't let me spook you. Any boat that old is bound to have some
>>>>>>>> problems but just about anything can be fixed. The trick is to not
>>>>>>>> let problems go too long - especially problems with the deck core.
>>>>>>>> Some, if not all, of the problems I identified are probably unique
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> my boat. I don't know whether the contractors who built the older
>>>>>>>> boats did the layup or just assembled the parts. Nor do I know how
>>>>>>>> many contractors were used and what the differences might be
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the older boats have problems with the floor stringers
>>>>>>>> rotting out - which is not a surprise given that the bilge is often
>>>>>>>> wet and the stringers are wood.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the ballast arrangement with your boat? In mine I have a
>>>>>>>> stack of steel bars fiberglassed to the hull just forward of the
>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>> bulkhead.
>>>>>>>> Some boats apparently have cement there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>> 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Sent: March-31-15 6:55 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What years were built where and by whom?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> invitation!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's
>>>>>> unsettling.
>>>>>>>>> I will check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have
>>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>> And the other flaws you detected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Much appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jefferson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jefferson:
>>>>>>>>>> You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is
>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>> in place and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> this purpose. No need for a separate holding tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> tie up at my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also
>>>>>>>>>> have a mooring that you can use. I am located just west of
>>>>>> Lemoines
>>>>>>>>>> Point on the north Shore of Lake Ontario.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976
>>>>>>>>>> and as a result some of the construction details were lacking. A
>>>>>>>>>> few things that you might want to check on the boat that might
>>>>>>>>>> cause problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
>>>>>>>>>> - the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went
>>>>>>>>>> through the deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't
>>>>>>>>>> have a holding tank but that is a prime spot for water to make
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> way into the core.. The softness that my deck developed when
>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>> on was not due to rot as I suspected but was because the deck
>>>>>> skin
>>>>>>>>>> simply separated from the core, There was minimal sealant used to
>>>>>>>>>> join the two surfaces and it simply let go. That is actually good
>>>>>>>>>> news as it is possible to reattach the core by injecting epoxy
>>>>>>>>>> under the skin rather than having to remove the deck and replace
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> core.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> discovered this the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>> - The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
>>>>>>>>>> centreboard slot. I could only see it by laying flat on my back
>>>>>>>>>> right under the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The
>>>>>>>>>> sharp corner seems to be the weakest point. Of course you might
>>>>>>>>>> well not have that problem and I have no idea why it developed in
>>>>>>>>>> mine, but by the time I realized that I had this problem it was
>>>>>>>>>> probably years from the time it started and a crack had spread
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> the way around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>> when I saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel. I
>>>>>>>>>> suspect that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered
>>>>>>>>>> that there were large voids in the keel where water could collect
>>>>>>>>>> in substantial volume if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> resin to fill the voids that I was able to find. My advice is to
>>>>>>>>>> check it out before you launch. You probably will not have that
>>>>>>>>>> problem but given that our boats were built so close together and
>>>>>>>>>> potentially by the same builder it might be a reasonably prudent
>>>>>>> examination to make.
>>>>>>>>>> - The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a
>>>>>> layer
>>>>>>>>>> of fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like
>>>>>> 3M
>>>>>>>>>> 5200. I suspect that might have been a repair done by a
>>>>>> subsequent
>>>>>>>>>> owner but I can't be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and
>>>>>>>>>> impossible to do so without badly damaging it.
>>>>>>>>>> - When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> gelcoat and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the
>>>>>>>>>> boat sat against the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it
>>>>>>>>>> isn't difficult to fix and the repair is ultimately covered by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> bottom paint. I would look carefully in that area especially if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> remove the existing paint. I repaired the glass by grinding out
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers of cloth and
>>>>>> epoxy.
>>>>>>>>>> I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the hull this
>>>>>>>>>> summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin
>>>>>>>>>> there and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with
>>>>>>>>>> thicker hulls to address that problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them
>>>>>>>>>> will apply to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> might be reassured to know they aren't a problem in your case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>>>> 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two
>>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>>>> in the whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a
>>>>>>>>>> Catalina 22 - a very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My sympathies for your major restoration. I have neither the
>>>>>>>>>> skills nor the patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But
>>>>>>>>>> it is good to know someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> know Bath well. Beautiful country, and great sailing around
>>>>>>>>>> Kingston. I'd love to trailer my boat up there - going up the
>>>>>>>>>> Richelieu from Lake Champlain and then up through the endless
>>>>>> locks
>>>>>>>>>> to Lake Ontario is something I have done once and don't need to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> again! But I read somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on
>>>>>>>>>> Ontario lakes so I'd have to plumb in a head and holding tank or
>>>>>> risk
>>>>>> getting busted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin
>>>>>>>>>> taking stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jefferson
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jefferson:
>>>>>>>>>>> I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22
>>>>>> boats
>>>>>>>>>>> in Canada. Welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> July of that year so they should be almost identical. I have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> doing a major restoration and in the process have dissected
>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>>> every part of the boat so if you need to know more about what is
>>>>>>>>>>> under the skin of the boat I should be able to tell you. I am
>>>>>>>>>>> located on Lake Ontario at Kinston.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is to great sailing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76.
>>>>>>>>>>> Despite my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's
>>>>>>>>>>> design I would likely not have dared to make the jump if I
>>>>>> hadn't
>>>>>>>>>>> discovered this site and the generosity and patience of its
>>>>>>>>>>> contributors. I feel honoured to join your ranks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> when dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies,
>>>>>>>>>>> then Rhodes Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> most recently Flying Scots. I discovered cruising when a good
>>>>>>>>>>> friend bought a Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2
>>>>>>>>>>> foot-itis - 25 became a Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and
>>>>>>>>>>> finally a Mirage 26. We sailed on Lake
>>>>>>>>>> Ontario, up the St.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain -
>>>>>>>>>>> which is really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles
>>>>>>>>>>> wide in
>>>>>>>> places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I
>>>>>>>>>>> going to do?
>>>>>>>>>>> After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in
>>>>>> love.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>>>>>>> how long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the
>>>>>>>>>>> previous owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the
>>>>>>>>>>> boat in 1976, from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the
>>>>>>>>>>> options the original owner chose the bill for a brand spanking
>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes Continental came to $8,095. The second owner bought the
>>>>>>>>>>> boat in the early '80's andy sailed it on the Ottawa River, and
>>>>>>>>>>> then 22 years ago, so he told me, they bought a cottage on a
>>>>>> lake
>>>>>>>>>>> too small for sailing and it has remained on its trailer under
>>>>>> cover
>>>>>> ever since.
>>>>>>>>>>> I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced
>>>>>>>>>>> than I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original,
>>>>>>>>>>> including cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner
>>>>>>>>>>> alcohol stove that was standard on RC models in '76. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> equipped with a 150 genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly
>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetic, aside from running rigging which needs to be updated,
>>>>>>>>>>> and if it doesn't sink to the bottom on launch day I'll be
>>>>>> delighted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I
>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> on it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the
>>>>>> price
>>>>>>>>>>> I paid to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't
>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>> much, and in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. I'm not sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from
>>>>>>>>>>> General Boats, given the current exchange rates and my own
>>>>>> budget.
>>>>>>>>>>> But it will be my first stop when I go shopping.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting
>>>>>> snow.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have about six million questions but will try not to test your
>>>>>>>>>>> patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in
>>>>>>>>>>> the address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> scour the archives for answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jefferson Lewis
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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