[Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?

Tue Mar 31 12:59:00 EDT 2015

Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for the
invitation!

I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's unsettling. I will
check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have had. And the
other flaws you detected.

Much appreciated,

Jefferson

On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>Jefferson:
>You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is fixed in
>place
>and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits for this purpose. No
>need for a separate holding tank.
>
>You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and can tie up
>at
>my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also have a mooring
>that
>you can use. I am located just west of Lemoines Point on the north Shore
>of
>Lake Ontario.
>
>The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976 and as a
>result some of the construction details were lacking. A few things that
>you
>might want to check on the boat that might cause problems.
>
>- The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
>- the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went through the
>deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't have a holding tank
>but that is a prime spot for water to make its way into the core.. The
>softness that my deck developed when walked on was not due to rot as I
>suspected but was because the deck skin simply separated from the core,
>There was minimal sealant used to join the two surfaces and it simply let
>go. That is actually good news as it is possible to reattach the core by
>injecting epoxy under the skin rather than having to remove the deck and
>replace the core. I discovered this the hard way.
>- The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
>centreboard slot. I could only see it  by laying flat on my back right
>under
>the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The sharp corner seems to
>be
>the weakest point. Of course you might well not have that problem and I
>have
>no idea why it developed in mine, but by the time I realized that I had
>this
>problem it was probably years from the time it started and a crack had
>spread all the way around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the
>problem when I saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel.  I
>suspect that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered that
>there
>were large voids in the keel where water could collect in substantial
>volume
>if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons of resin to fill the voids that
>I
>was able to find. My advice is to check it out before you launch. You
>probably will not have that problem but given that our boats were built so
>close together and potentially by the same builder it might be a
>reasonably
>prudent examination to make.
>- The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a layer of
>fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like 3M 5200. I
>suspect that might have been a repair done by a subsequent owner but I
>can't
>be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and impossible to do so without
>badly damaging it.
>- When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that the
>gelcoat
>and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the boat sat against
>the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it isn't difficult to fix and
>the repair is ultimately covered by the bottom paint. I would look
>carefully
>in that area especially if you remove the existing paint. I repaired the
>glass by grinding out the damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers
>of cloth and epoxy. I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the
>hull this summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin
>there and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with thicker
>hulls to address that problem.
>
>Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them will
>apply
>to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and you might be
>reassured
>to know they aren't a problem in your case.
>
>Take care,
>
>Graham Stewart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>Email
>List
>Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two Rhodes in the
>whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a Catalina 22 - a
>very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
>
>My sympathies for your major restoration.  I have neither the skills nor
>the
>patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But it is good to know
>someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U and know Bath well. Beautiful
>country, and great sailing around Kingston. I'd love to trailer my boat up
>there - going up the Richelieu from Lake Champlain and then up through the
>endless locks to Lake Ontario is something I have done once and don't need
>to do again! But I read somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on
>Ontario lakes so I'd have to plumb in a head and holding tank or risk
>getting busted.
>
>I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin taking
>stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
>
>Jefferson
>
>On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>>Jefferson:
>>I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22 boats in
>>Canada. Welcome.
>>
>>My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976 as well.
>>The
>>number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine in July
>>of that year so they should be almost identical. I have been doing a
>>major restoration and in the process have dissected almost every part
>>of the boat so if you need to know more about what is under the skin of
>>the boat I should be able to tell you. I am located on Lake Ontario at
>>Kinston.
>>
>>Here is to great sailing.
>>
>>Graham
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>Email List
>>Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>
>>
>>I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76. Despite
>>my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's design I would
>>likely not have dared to make the jump if I hadn't discovered this site
>>and the generosity and patience of its contributors. I feel honoured to
>>join your ranks.
>>
>>About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of time when
>>dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies, then Rhodes
>>Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen and most recently
>>Flying Scots. I discovered cruising  when a good friend bought a
>>Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2 foot-itis - 25 became a
>>Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and finally a Mirage 26. We sailed on
>>Lake
>Ontario, up the St.
>>Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain - which is
>>really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles wide in places.
>>
>>Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I going
>>to do?
>>After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in love.
>>
>>The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate consider how
>>long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the previous
>>owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the boat in 1976,
>>from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the options the original
>>owner chose the bill for a brand spanking new Rhodes Continental came
>>to $8,095.  The second owner bought the boat in the early '80's andy
>>sailed it on the Ottawa River, and then 22 years ago, so he told me,
>>they bought a cottage on a lake too small for sailing and it has
>>remained on its trailer under cover ever since.
>>I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced than
>>I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original, including
>>cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner alcohol stove
>>that was standard on RC models in '76.  It is equipped with a 150
>>genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly cosmetic, aside from
>>running rigging which needs to be updated, and if it doesn't sink to
>>the bottom on launch day I'll be delighted.
>>
>>I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I work on
>>it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the price I paid
>>to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't pay much, and
>>in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do anyway. I'm not
>>sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from General Boats, given the
>>current exchange rates and my own budget. But it will be my first stop
>>when I go shopping.
>>
>>So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting snow. I
>>have about six million questions but will try not to test your
>>patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in the
>>address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to scour the
>>archives for answers.
>>
>>Jefferson Lewis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>>For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>to
>>http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
>For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>to
>http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>__________________________________________________
>
>