[Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?

Tue Mar 31 18:55:01 EDT 2015

What years were built where and by whom?

Bob (palatka)

> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for the
> invitation!
> 
> I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's unsettling. I will
> check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have had. And the
> other flaws you detected.
> 
> Much appreciated,
> 
> Jefferson
> 
> On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Jefferson:
>> You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is fixed in
>> place
>> and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits for this purpose. No
>> need for a separate holding tank.
>> 
>> You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and can tie up
>> at
>> my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also have a mooring
>> that
>> you can use. I am located just west of Lemoines Point on the north Shore
>> of
>> Lake Ontario.
>> 
>> The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976 and as a
>> result some of the construction details were lacking. A few things that
>> you
>> might want to check on the boat that might cause problems.
>> 
>> - The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
>> - the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went through the
>> deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't have a holding tank
>> but that is a prime spot for water to make its way into the core.. The
>> softness that my deck developed when walked on was not due to rot as I
>> suspected but was because the deck skin simply separated from the core,
>> There was minimal sealant used to join the two surfaces and it simply let
>> go. That is actually good news as it is possible to reattach the core by
>> injecting epoxy under the skin rather than having to remove the deck and
>> replace the core. I discovered this the hard way.
>> - The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
>> centreboard slot. I could only see it  by laying flat on my back right
>> under
>> the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The sharp corner seems to
>> be
>> the weakest point. Of course you might well not have that problem and I
>> have
>> no idea why it developed in mine, but by the time I realized that I had
>> this
>> problem it was probably years from the time it started and a crack had
>> spread all the way around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the
>> problem when I saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel.  I
>> suspect that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered that
>> there
>> were large voids in the keel where water could collect in substantial
>> volume
>> if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons of resin to fill the voids that
>> I
>> was able to find. My advice is to check it out before you launch. You
>> probably will not have that problem but given that our boats were built so
>> close together and potentially by the same builder it might be a
>> reasonably
>> prudent examination to make.
>> - The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a layer of
>> fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like 3M 5200. I
>> suspect that might have been a repair done by a subsequent owner but I
>> can't
>> be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and impossible to do so without
>> badly damaging it.
>> - When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that the
>> gelcoat
>> and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the boat sat against
>> the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it isn't difficult to fix and
>> the repair is ultimately covered by the bottom paint. I would look
>> carefully
>> in that area especially if you remove the existing paint. I repaired the
>> glass by grinding out the damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers
>> of cloth and epoxy. I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the
>> hull this summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin
>> there and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with thicker
>> hulls to address that problem.
>> 
>> Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them will
>> apply
>> to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and you might be
>> reassured
>> to know they aren't a problem in your case.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two Rhodes in the
>> whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a Catalina 22 - a
>> very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
>> 
>> My sympathies for your major restoration.  I have neither the skills nor
>> the
>> patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But it is good to know
>> someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U and know Bath well. Beautiful
>> country, and great sailing around Kingston. I'd love to trailer my boat up
>> there - going up the Richelieu from Lake Champlain and then up through the
>> endless locks to Lake Ontario is something I have done once and don't need
>> to do again! But I read somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on
>> Ontario lakes so I'd have to plumb in a head and holding tank or risk
>> getting busted.
>> 
>> I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin taking
>> stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
>> 
>> Jefferson
>> 
>> On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jefferson:
>>> I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22 boats in
>>> Canada. Welcome.
>>> 
>>> My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976 as well.
>>> The
>>> number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine in July
>>> of that year so they should be almost identical. I have been doing a
>>> major restoration and in the process have dissected almost every part
>>> of the boat so if you need to know more about what is under the skin of
>>> the boat I should be able to tell you. I am located on Lake Ontario at
>>> Kinston.
>>> 
>>> Here is to great sailing.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>> Email List
>>> Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76. Despite
>>> my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's design I would
>>> likely not have dared to make the jump if I hadn't discovered this site
>>> and the generosity and patience of its contributors. I feel honoured to
>>> join your ranks.
>>> 
>>> About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of time when
>>> dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies, then Rhodes
>>> Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen and most recently
>>> Flying Scots. I discovered cruising  when a good friend bought a
>>> Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2 foot-itis - 25 became a
>>> Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and finally a Mirage 26. We sailed on
>>> Lake
>> Ontario, up the St.
>>> Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain - which is
>>> really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles wide in places.
>>> 
>>> Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I going
>>> to do?
>>> After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in love.
>>> 
>>> The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate consider how
>>> long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the previous
>>> owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the boat in 1976,
>>> from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the options the original
>>> owner chose the bill for a brand spanking new Rhodes Continental came
>>> to $8,095.  The second owner bought the boat in the early '80's andy
>>> sailed it on the Ottawa River, and then 22 years ago, so he told me,
>>> they bought a cottage on a lake too small for sailing and it has
>>> remained on its trailer under cover ever since.
>>> I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced than
>>> I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original, including
>>> cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner alcohol stove
>>> that was standard on RC models in '76.  It is equipped with a 150
>>> genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly cosmetic, aside from
>>> running rigging which needs to be updated, and if it doesn't sink to
>>> the bottom on launch day I'll be delighted.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I work on
>>> it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the price I paid
>>> to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't pay much, and
>>> in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do anyway. I'm not
>>> sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from General Boats, given the
>>> current exchange rates and my own budget. But it will be my first stop
>>> when I go shopping.
>>> 
>>> So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting snow. I
>>> have about six million questions but will try not to test your
>>> patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in the
>>> address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to scour the
>>> archives for answers.
>>> 
>>> Jefferson Lewis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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