[Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Mon Aug 20 11:14:38 EDT 2018

Gary,

Where do you see the centerboard?  It looks like asphalt and the roller
from a trailer to me.

Hank

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like
> the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top.
>
> If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you
> definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard
> to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion.
>
> This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not
> knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> > Graham, here’s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
> through.
> >
> > I placed the order for neoprene.
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> >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I
> looked
> >> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
> 1/4"
> >> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> >> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
> my
> >> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> >> compress-ability.
> >>
> >> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> >> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
> in, i
> >> have no real way to know.
> >> --
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a
> "sponge"
> >>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
> might
> >>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
> more
> >>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> >>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>
> >>> I used this from Amazon:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> >>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> >>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water
> making up
> >>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> >>> --
> >>> Curtis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and
> it
> >>> is
> >>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> >>> did
> >>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> >>> So I
> >>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> >>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> >>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> >>> that
> >>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
> some
> >>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
> single
> >>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> >>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts
> would
> >>> be
> >>>> the same width.
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> >>>> rebuild the cap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Gary Novotny
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
> bitch
> >>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can’t find
> proper
> >>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> >>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see
> with
> >>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> >>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> >>>> it’s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> >>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start
> to
> >>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it.
> One
> >>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> >>> hardware
> >>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
> below
> >>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> >>> because
> >>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> >>> good
> >>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> >>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
> reason.
> >>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost
> impossible
> >>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult
> -
> >>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
> owner
> >>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
> days
> >>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> >>> moved
> >>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and
> had
> >>> to
> >>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> >>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
> if
> >>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with
> it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>> Kingston Ontario
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
> completed
> >>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> >>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> >>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use
> Remov
> >>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
> can't
> >>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> >>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
> me
> >>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and
> when
> >>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> >>> you
> >>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> >>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
> 5200)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my 2cents.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>>> Patrick:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> >>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> >>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> >>> smooth
> >>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
> stopped
> >>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> >>> well.
> >>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so
> it
> >>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
> tape
> >>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> >>> the
> >>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot.
> I
> >>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
> butyl
> >>> if
> >>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won’t ship to Canada.
> >>>> Gonna keep looking.
> >>>>>> Thx, Patrick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Patrick,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> >>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> >>>> piece of
> >>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over
> from
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> >>> to
> >>>> sell.
> >>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>> Duck, '84
> >>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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> >>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
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