[Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Mon Aug 20 11:26:21 EDT 2018

My bad, I guess I need my eyes checked again! Ha your right. Forget what 
I said

Gary

On 8/20/2018 11:14 AM, Hank wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Where do you see the centerboard?  It looks like asphalt and the roller
> from a trailer to me.
>
> Hank
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like
>> the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top.
>>
>> If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you
>> definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard
>> to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion.
>>
>> This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not
>> knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> Graham, here’s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
>> through.
>>> I placed the order for neoprene.
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>>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I
>> looked
>>>> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
>> 1/4"
>>>> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
>>>> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
>> my
>>>> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
>>>> compress-ability.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
>>>> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
>> in, i
>>>> have no real way to know.
>>>> --
>>>> Curtis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a
>> "sponge"
>>>>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
>> might
>>>>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
>> more
>>>>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>
>>>>> I used this from Amazon:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>>>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>>>>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>>>>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water
>> making up
>>>>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and
>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>>>>> did
>>>>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>>>>> So I
>>>>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>>>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>>>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>>>>> that
>>>>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
>> some
>>>>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
>> single
>>>>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>>>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts
>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>>> the same width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>>>>> rebuild the cap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
>> bitch
>>>>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can’t find
>> proper
>>>>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>>>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see
>> with
>>>>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>>>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>>>>> it’s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>>>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start
>> to
>>>>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it.
>> One
>>>>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
>> below
>>>>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>>>>> because
>>>>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>>>>> good
>>>>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>>>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
>> reason.
>>>>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost
>> impossible
>>>>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult
>> -
>>>>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
>> owner
>>>>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
>> days
>>>>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>>>>> moved
>>>>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and
>> had
>>>>> to
>>>>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>>>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
>> if
>>>>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with
>> it.
>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
>> completed
>>>>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use
>> Remov
>>>>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
>> can't
>>>>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
>> me
>>>>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and
>> when
>>>>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
>> 5200)
>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>>>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>>>>> smooth
>>>>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
>> stopped
>>>>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so
>> it
>>>>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
>> tape
>>>>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot.
>> I
>>>>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
>> butyl
>>>>> if
>>>>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won’t ship to Canada.
>>>>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over
>> from
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>>>>> to
>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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>>>>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
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