[Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Thu Jun 6 03:02:46 EDT 2019

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Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
Juan’s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won’t be the money for those
(grin).

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
> real owner of the list!
>
>
>
> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6’3”)!  He started looking around
> and said “This thing is really cool!”  I cant wait till you go out again
> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was “sick” (meaning more awesome)
> than other boats.
>
> Then he started walking around my “parts boat” and decided he could “fix
> it and sail” (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
> eventually,
>
> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> 😳🙄😁
>
> Ha!
>
> So now is the conundrum.  Didn’t Stan say last week my son cant be a
> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> 😞
>
> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
>
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
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> > On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >
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> > I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
> since
>
> > 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>
> > partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>
> > just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> > Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >
>
> > Mike Corley
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> > S/V Ranger
>
> > Hampton Roads
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> >
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> > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
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> >
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> >> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
> any
>
> >> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>
>
> >> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
> fro
>
> >> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
>
> >> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>
> >> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> >>
>
> >> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
> 22, or
>
> >> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under
> a
>
> >> least two of those points.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>
>
> >> ________________________________
>
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Bob
>
> >> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>
>
> >> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>
> >> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>
> >> show.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
> using a
>
> >> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
> marketed
>
> >> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
> Show in
>
> >> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
> against
>
> >> an established brand. Using a competitor’s existing customer base and
>
> >> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ‘right
> thing’
>
> >> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
> services.
>
> >> It’s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> As a side note, I’ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>
> >> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on
> the
>
> >> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
>
> >> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
> while
>
> >> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>
> >> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
> dolphins
>
> >> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
> >>
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> >>
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >>
>
> >> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>
> >> alive
>
> >>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>> My motto is “treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!”
>
> >>>  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>
> >>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>
> >> the
>
> >>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it,
> i
>
> >>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
> the
>
> >>> drive.
>
> >>>  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
>
> >>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>
> >>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
> out
>
> >>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>
> >>> considering GB was only a “one design” company (i know there was a
>
> >>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>
> >>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>
> >> market
>
> >>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>
> >> endeavor
>
> >>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22’s
>
> >> that
>
> >>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>
> >>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
> you
>
> >>> are still reading.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >> rudderpost
>
> >>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
>
> >>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>
> >> much
>
> >>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>
> >> that
>
> >>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>
> >>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>
> >> pass
>
> >>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
>
> >>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
> she
>
> >>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
> option.
>
> >>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
>
> >> on
>
> >>> here?
>
> >>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
> not
>
> >>>> understanding
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>
> >>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>
> >>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>
> >>> Nabble.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>
> >>> probably
>
> >>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
> is
>
> >>> more
>
> >>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>
> >> for
>
> >>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>
> >>> bumped
>
> >>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
>
> >> of
>
> >>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>
> >>> parts
>
> >>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>
> >>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
>
> >>> stop
>
> >>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
> in
>
> >>> my
>
> >>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>
> >>> program.
>
> >>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>
> >> but I
>
> >>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
> defend
>
> >>> Stan.
>
> >>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
> he
>
> >>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
> him
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>
> >>> drive
>
> >>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>
> >>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
> his
>
> >>> Will
>
> >>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>
> >> made
>
> >>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
> supportive
>
> >>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>
> >> how
>
> >>> a
>
> >>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>
> >>> supposed
>
> >>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>
> >> brand? b
>
> >>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
> who've
>
> >>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>
> >>> Stan's
>
> >>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>
> >>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
> certainly
>
> >>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>
> >>> not a
>
> >>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>
> >>> Chris
>
> >>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>
> >>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
>
> >>> fleet.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>>> Stan;
>
> >>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>
> >>> this,
>
> >>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>
> >>> helps
>
> >>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>
> >>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>
> >> while
>
> >>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I’m pretty certain you do have an
>
> >>> expiration
>
> >>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I’m wrong here I applaud you but could
>
> >> you
>
> >>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>
> >> plan
>
> >>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>
> >> such.
>
> >>> He
>
> >>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
>
> >>> both
>
> >>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Charles
>
> >>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
> of
>
> >>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> >> Chris
>
> >>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> >> feel
>
> >>> we
>
> >>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before
> a
>
> >>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> >>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >> seriously
>
> >>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>
> >>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>
> >> here
>
> >>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>
> >>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>>>>> stan
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
>