[Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

[Chris Geankoplis]

Michael thank you for your wise council. Also I have forgotten about the
hosting cost. How can I send along a contribution?  Uh I am not a Nigerians
prince.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 09:02, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> .....
> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
> Juan’s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won’t be the money for those
> (grin).
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
>> real owner of the list!
>>
>>
>>
>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6’3”)!  He started looking around
>> and said “This thing is really cool!”  I cant wait till you go out again
>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was “sick” (meaning more awesome)
>> than other boats.
>>
>> Then he started walking around my “parts boat” and decided he could “fix
>> it and sail” (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>>
>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>>
>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> eventually,
>>
>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>>
>> 😳🙄😁
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn’t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>>
>> 😞
>>
>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>> since
>>
>> > 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>>
>> > partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>>
>> > just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>>
>> > Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Mike Corley
>>
>> > S/V Ranger
>>
>> > Hampton Roads
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>> any
>>
>> >> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>> fro
>>
>> >> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with
>> this
>>
>> >> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>>
>> >> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>>
>> >> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>> 22, or
>>
>> >> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>> under a
>>
>> >> least two of those points.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ________________________________
>>
>> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Bob
>>
>> >> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>>
>> >> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>>
>> >> show.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>> using a
>>
>> >> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>> marketed
>>
>> >> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>> Show in
>>
>> >> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> against
>>
>> >> an established brand. Using a competitor’s existing customer base and
>>
>> >> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ‘right
>> thing’
>>
>> >> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> services.
>>
>> >> It’s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> As a side note, I’ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>>
>> >> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis
>> on the
>>
>> >> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we
>> were
>>
>> >> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>> while
>>
>> >> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>>
>> >> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>> dolphins
>>
>> >> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Regards,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>>
>> >>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>>
>> >> alive
>>
>> >>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>>
>> >>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>>
>> >>> My motto is “treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!”
>>
>> >>>  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>>
>> >>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>>
>> >>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>>
>> >>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>>
>> >> the
>>
>> >>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have
>> it, i
>>
>> >>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>> the
>>
>> >>> drive.
>>
>> >>>  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to
>> keep
>>
>> >>> things operational right!!!???
>>
>> >>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>>
>> >>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>> out
>>
>> >>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>>
>> >>> considering GB was only a “one design” company (i know there was a
>>
>> >>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>>
>> >>> order for soft and small parts.
>>
>> >>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>>
>> >>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>>
>> >> market
>>
>> >>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>>
>> >> endeavor
>>
>> >>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22’s
>>
>> >> that
>>
>> >>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>>
>> >>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>>
>> >>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>> you
>>
>> >>> are still reading.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>>
>> >>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>>
>> >> rudderpost
>>
>> >>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline
>> and
>>
>> >>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>>
>> >> much
>>
>> >>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>>
>> >> that
>>
>> >>> WAS your idea!
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>>
>> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>>
>> >>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>>
>> >>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>>
>> >> pass
>>
>> >>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive
>> to
>>
>> >>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>> she
>>
>> >>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>> option.
>>
>> >>>> Remember that time flies.
>>
>> >>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>>
>> >> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>
>> >>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>> going
>>
>> >> on
>>
>> >>> here?
>>
>> >>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>> not
>>
>> >>>> understanding
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>>
>> >>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain
>> text
>>
>> >>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>>
>> >>> Nabble.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>>
>> >>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>>
>> >>> probably
>>
>> >>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>> is
>>
>> >>> more
>>
>> >>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>>
>> >> for
>>
>> >>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>>
>> >>> bumped
>>
>> >>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>>
>> >>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>> because
>>
>> >> of
>>
>> >>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>>
>> >>> parts
>>
>> >>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>>
>> >>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should
>> I
>>
>> >>> stop
>>
>> >>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>> in
>>
>> >>> my
>>
>> >>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>>
>> >>> program.
>>
>> >>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>>
>> >> but I
>>
>> >>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>> defend
>>
>> >>> Stan.
>>
>> >>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>> he
>>
>> >>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>> him
>>
>> >>> this
>>
>> >>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>>
>> >>> drive
>>
>> >>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>>
>> >>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>> his
>>
>> >>> Will
>>
>> >>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>>
>> >> made
>>
>> >>>>> him that offer.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> supportive
>>
>> >>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>>
>> >> how
>>
>> >>> a
>>
>> >>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>>
>> >>> supposed
>>
>> >>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>>
>> >> brand? b
>>
>> >>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>> who've
>>
>> >>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>>
>> >>> Stan's
>>
>> >>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>>
>> >>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>> certainly
>>
>> >>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>>
>> >>> not a
>>
>> >>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>>
>> >>> Chris
>>
>> >>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking
>> for
>>
>> >>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of
>> our
>>
>> >>> fleet.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>>
>> >>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>> >>>>> Stan;
>>
>> >>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>>
>> >>> this,
>>
>> >>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>>
>> >>> helps
>>
>> >>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>>
>> >>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>>
>> >> while
>>
>> >>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I’m pretty certain you do have an
>>
>> >>> expiration
>>
>> >>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I’m wrong here I applaud you but could
>>
>> >> you
>>
>> >>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>>
>> >> plan
>>
>> >>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>>
>> >> such.
>>
>> >>> He
>>
>> >>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I
>> wish
>>
>> >>> both
>>
>> >>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> Charles
>>
>> >>>>> 98 R 22
>>
>> >>>>> s/v DayDreams
>>
>> >>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>> of
>>
>> >>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>>
>> >> Chris
>>
>> >>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>>
>> >> feel
>>
>> >>> we
>>
>> >>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>> before a
>>
>> >>>>> declaration of war:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>>
>> >>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>>
>> >> seriously
>>
>> >>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>>
>> >>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>>
>> >> here
>>
>> >>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>>
>> >>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>>
>> >>>>>> stan
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
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