[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Wed Aug 26 12:06:43 EDT 2020

Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than most!
I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature on
larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending jib
to work well?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.
> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of the
> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and a
> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
> > Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
> > It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
> > I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and I
> > would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of
> the
> > end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably electric
> and
> > smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the cockpit
> > floor.
> > I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
> > Not sure that such a thing is even available.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > www.stottarchitecture.com
> > Office  631-283-1777
> > Cell            516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ric,
> > >
> > > Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for
> > the
> > > zincs.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
> > > [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
> > > [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mark
> > >> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
> > >> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
> > >> Any pics of it under the boat?
> > >> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
> > >> I’m dying to know more about this.
> > >> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
> > >> Ric
> > >> sv Dadventure
> > >> HBNY
> > >>
> > >> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >> www.stottarchitecture.com
> > >> Office  631-283-1777
> > >> Cell            516-965-3164
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Richard,
> > >>>
> > >>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
> > >> saildrive.
> > >>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like it
> > >> will
> > >>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
> > >>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
> > >>>
> > >>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially out
> > of
> > >>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
> saildrive
> > >>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
> like
> > >> the
> > >>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
> need
> > >> to
> > >>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,
> > the
> > >>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a
> > >> diesel.
> > >>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's
> not
> > >>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement
> > >>> problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Boston, MA
> > >>>
> > >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Cary
> > >>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went
> > in
> > >>>> the drink.
> > >>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> > >> continue
> > >>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> > >>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs
> > when
> > >>>> it need it - well almost always.
> > >>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to
> > >>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
> sketch)
> > so
> > >>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor.
> > >>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> > with.
> > >>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design
> of
> > >>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has
> > pros
> > >>>> and cons.
> > >>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> > father
> > >>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
> waves,
> > >>>> especially with weight on the bow.
> > >>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the
> > West
> > >>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> > >>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled,
> 20
> > hp
> > >>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
> > >>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
> > >>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> > >>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> easy
> > >> to
> > >>>> cary to the shore.
> > >>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on
> to
> > >> the
> > >>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one
> to
> > >>>> paddle out to the boat.
> > >>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
> put
> > >> the
> > >>>> stern right on the beach.
> > >>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a
> > huge
> > >>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
> > >>>> Ric
> > >>>> sv Dadventure
> > >>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
> > >>>> Office  631-283-1777
> > >>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg
> > >>>>> 20200825_174517.jpg
> > >>>>> 4 MB
> > >>>>> <
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
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> > >>>>> Once
> > >>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the
> > >> lake
> > >>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the
> > >> motor
> > >>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> chain.
> > >>>> Lucky
> > >>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he
> has
> > >>>> long
> > >>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard
> > >>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> question
> > >> is
> > >>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a
> > >>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> something
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of
> > >>>>> experience on the list
> > >>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> > >>>>> Radford, VA
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Boston, MA
> > >>>
> > >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > >>
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