[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

stan stan at generalboats.com
Wed Aug 26 17:17:47 EDT 2020 

On 8/26/20 4:48 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
>
> Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, based
> on some torqueedo parts.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
>> most!
>>> I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature on
>>> larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending jib
>>> to work well?
>>>
>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.
>>>> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
>>>> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
>>>> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
>> the
>>>> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and
>> a
>>>> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
>>>>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
>>>>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
>>>>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and
>> I
>>>>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of
>>>> the
>>>>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably electric
>>>> and
>>>>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
>> cockpit
>>>>> floor.
>>>>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
>>>>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Ric,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for
>>>>> the
>>>>>> zincs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
>>>>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
>>>>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
>>>>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
>>>>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
>>>>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
>>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
>>>>>>> saildrive.
>>>>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
>> it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
>>>>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
>> out
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
>>>> saildrive
>>>>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
>>>> like
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a
>>>>>>> diesel.
>>>>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's
>>>> not
>>>>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
>> went
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the drink.
>>>>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
>>>>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
>>>>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
>> to
>>>>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
>>>> sketch)
>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
>> motor.
>>>>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has
>>>>> pros
>>>>>>>>> and cons.
>>>>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
>>>>> father
>>>>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
>>>> waves,
>>>>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
>>>>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the
>>>>> West
>>>>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
>>>>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled,
>>>> 20
>>>>> hp
>>>>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
>>>>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
>>>>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
>>>>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
>>>> easy
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> cary to the shore.
>>>>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on
>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
>>>>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
>>>> put
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
>>>>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a
>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
>>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
>>>>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
>> the
>>>>>>> lake
>>>>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the
>>>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>> Lucky
>>>>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he
>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
>> starboard
>>>>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
>>>> question
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a
>>>>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of
>>>>>>>>>> experience on the list
>>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
>>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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