[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Wed Aug 26 17:30:33 EDT 2020

Stan, your message was blank. FYI.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> On 8/26/20 4:48 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show
> . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build
> one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
> >
> > Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract,
> based
> > on some torqueedo parts.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
> >> most!
> >>> I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature
> on
> >>> larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending
> jib
> >>> to work well?
> >>>
> >>> Jesse Shumaker
> >>> S/V Zephyr
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the
> keel.
> >>>> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
> >>>> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
> >>>> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
> >> the
> >>>> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel
> and
> >> a
> >>>> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll
> see.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
> >>>>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
> >>>>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
> >>>>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel,
> and
> >> I
> >>>>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably
> electric
> >>>> and
> >>>>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
> >> cockpit
> >>>>> floor.
> >>>>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
> >>>>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Ric,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source
> for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> zincs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
> >>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
> >>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
> >>>>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
> >>>>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
> >>>>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
> >>>>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
> >>>>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
> >>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>> sv Dadventure
> >>>>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <
> mark at whipplefamily.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
> >>>>>>> saildrive.
> >>>>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
> >> it
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
> >>>>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
> >> out
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
> >>>> saildrive
> >>>>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
> >>>> like
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
> >>>> need
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that
> option,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often
> a
> >>>>>>> diesel.
> >>>>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so
> it's
> >>>> not
> >>>>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the
> replacement
> >>>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Boston, MA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >>>>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
> >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cary
> >>>>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
> >> went
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the drink.
> >>>>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> >>>>>>> continue
> >>>>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> >>>>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and
> runs
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
> >>>>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
> >>>> sketch)
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
> >> motor.
> >>>>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> >>>>> with.
> >>>>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that
> design
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it
> has
> >>>>> pros
> >>>>>>>>> and cons.
> >>>>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> >>>>> father
> >>>>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
> >>>> waves,
> >>>>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
> >>>>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but
> the
> >>>>> West
> >>>>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> >>>>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote
> controlled,
> >>>> 20
> >>>>> hp
> >>>>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
> >>>>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
> >>>>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> >>>>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> >>>> easy
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> cary to the shore.
> >>>>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat
> on
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not
> one
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
> >>>>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
> >>>> put
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
> >>>>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be
> a
> >>>>> huge
> >>>>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
> >>>>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
> >>>>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <
> retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg
> >>>>>>>>>> 20200825_174517.jpg
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> >>
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> >>>>>>>>>> Once
> >>>>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
> >> the
> >>>>>>> lake
> >>>>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with
> the
> >>>>>>> motor
> >>>>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> >>>> chain.
> >>>>>>>>> Lucky
> >>>>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said
> he
> >>>> has
> >>>>>>>>> long
> >>>>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
> >> starboard
> >>>>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> >>>> question
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or
> buy a
> >>>>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> >>>> something
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries
> of
> >>>>>>>>>> experience on the list
> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Boston, MA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >>>>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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