[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
stan
stan at generalboats.com
Wed Aug 26 17:41:05 EDT 2020
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On 8/26/20 5:30 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote:
> Stan, your message was blank. FYI.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/20 4:48 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show
>> . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build
>> one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret Mark
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
>>>
>>> Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract,
>> based
>>> on some torqueedo parts.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
>>>> most!
>>>>> I'm curious about your self tending jib. I've only seen that feature
>> on
>>>>> larger boats such as Island Packets. Have you found the self tending
>> jib
>>>>> to work well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the
>> keel.
>>>>>> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
>>>>>> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
>>>>>> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
>>>> the
>>>>>> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel
>> and
>>>> a
>>>>>> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll
>> see.
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
>>>>>>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
>>>>>>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
>>>>>>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel,
>> and
>>>> I
>>>>>>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft
>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> end of the keel, understanding that the motor head (probably
>> electric
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
>>>> cockpit
>>>>>>> floor.
>>>>>>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
>>>>>>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>>>>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ric,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source
>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> zincs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
>>>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
>>>>>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
>>>>>>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
>>>>>>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
>>>>>>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
>>>>>>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
>>>>>>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
>>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>>>>>>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <
>> mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
>>>>>>>>> saildrive.
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
>>>>>>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
>>>> out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
>>>>>> saildrive
>>>>>>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that
>> option,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often
>> a
>>>>>>>>> diesel.
>>>>>>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so
>> it's
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the
>> replacement
>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
>>>> went
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the drink.
>>>>>>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
>>>>>>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and
>> runs
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
>>>>>>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
>>>>>> sketch)
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
>>>> motor.
>>>>>>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that
>> design
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it
>> has
>>>>>>> pros
>>>>>>>>>>> and cons.
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
>>>>>>> father
>>>>>>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
>>>>>> waves,
>>>>>>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
>>>>>>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but
>> the
>>>>>>> West
>>>>>>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
>>>>>>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote
>> controlled,
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>> hp
>>>>>>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
>>>>>>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
>>>>>>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
>>>>>>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> cary to the shore.
>>>>>>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat
>> on
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not
>> one
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
>>>>>>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be
>> a
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
>>>>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>>>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>>>>>>>>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <
>> retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> lake
>>>>>>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with
>> the
>>>>>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lucky
>>>>>>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said
>> he
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
>>>> starboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or
>> buy a
>>>>>>>>>>>> gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience on the list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
>>>>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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