[Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer

Tue Jun 2 06:02:27 EDT 2020

Thanks Graham.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:02 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> The pieces of hose should be long enough to fill the slot between the
> centerboard pin and the cap. Use regular hose that is relatively soft and
> flexible as one of the purposes of the pieces is to absorb the shock should
> the centerboard be forced up.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 6:53 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
> only a little while longer
>
> Richard, I didn’t see the picture come through. Are the hose pieces
> “intact”, meaning I cut a few inches off of a hose but don’t have to split
> it lengthwise or do anything else like that?
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:19 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ric,
> >
> > I love the phrase " when the CB entered the cabin."
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I’d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Richard Stott
> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 4:40 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard
> for
> > only a little while longer
> >
> > HI Todd
> > I don’t have a Diamond board, I have the old style CB.
> > Here are some pics of how it is rigged including the hose pieces.
> > They can be anything, but do not make the diameter too big or they will
> > impede the smoothness of the CB operation (on the old stye ) They do help
> > quiet the banging noise,  but they do not prevent it.
> > I‘ve taken my CB part 3 times now for various reasons.
> > I don’t want to do that any more.
> > Most recently, I installed a new cap after I destroyed the previous one
> > when the CB entered the cabin.
> > Boating is a sure bet that something will happen the you never, ever
> > expected.
> > More on that coming soon.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> >
> >
> > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > www.stottarchitecture.com
> > Office  631-283-1777
> > Cell            516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone will surely post pictures, but they drop down into the slots on
> > > either side of the centerboard, on top of the pin.
> > >
> > > Todd T.
> > >
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:13 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone have pictures of how the “scrap hose pieces” fit around the
> > >> diamondboard?
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was also not shocked to not find the “two scraps of garden hose”
> I’ve
> > >>> heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the
> > >> pivot
> > >>> of the board, and my board does “rattle” while sailing whenever it’s
> > not
> > >>> fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of
> > hose
> > >>> should go when I reassemble everything?  Thanks again!
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to
> repair
> > >> it
> > >>>> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the
> > layers
> > >> of
> > >>>> construction.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love
> them
> > >>>>> but have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Oliver,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not
> > available
> > >>>>>> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however
> I
> > do
> > >>>>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one
> > >>>>>> repaired
> > >>>>>> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With
> all
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass
> > >>>>>> tiller
> > >>>>>> or the new invention traveler system.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an
> > equal
> > >>>>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke
> that
> > >>>>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed
> > to
> > >>>>>> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective
> > >> every
> > >>>>>> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to
> > pull
> > >>>>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension
> > techniques
> > >>>>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who
> > sails
> > >>>>>> at 94.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your
> > >> inquiring
> > >>>>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for
> > Boston
> > >>>>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only
> > ones
> > >>>>>> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound
> > >>>>>> interesting?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed
> > in...if
> > >>>>>> not
> > >>>>>>> than definitely glued down well. I think I’d damage the hull
> > >>>>>> interface just
> > >>>>>>> by removing it. I’m thinking about just enlarging the inner
> opening
> > >>>>>> with a
> > >>>>>>> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don’t think the
> slick
> > >>>>>> surface
> > >>>>>>> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface
> > >>>>>> either...that
> > >>>>>>> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond
> > boards,
> > >>>>>> or is
> > >>>>>>> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mary Lou,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report
> > >>>>>> what my
> > >>>>>>>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> > >>>>>>>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to
> the
> > >>>>>> cb in
> > >>>>>>>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the
> white
> > >>>>>>>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to
> be
> > >>>>>>>> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
> > >>>>>> DESIGNED
> > >>>>>>>> IT TO BE.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Olivier,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I
> forget
> > >>>>>>>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
> > >>>>>> raising
> > >>>>>>>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it
> > >> apart
> > >>>>>>>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked
> > >> Stan
> > >>>>>>>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and
> > >> said
> > >>>>>>>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It
> wasn't
> > >>>>>>>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do
> and
> > >>>>>>>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the
> > exchange
> > >>>>>>>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>> subject from 2003 were:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top
> lip
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>>>> the trunk and
> > >>>>>>>>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage
> > >> between
> > >>>>>>>>> the fiberglass
> > >>>>>>>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in
> > place
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>> just use a
> > >>>>>>>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb
> > >>>>>> trunk -
> > >>>>>>>>> it should
> > >>>>>>>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other
> > >> hand
> > >>>>>>>>> there was
> > >>>>>>>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do
> > >>>>>> whatever
> > >>>>>>>>> is necessary
> > >>>>>>>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the
> > >>>>>> trunk
> > >>>>>>>>> lip to
> > >>>>>>>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we
> > >> decided
> > >>>>>>>>> not to mess with it.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Mary Lou
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this
> goes
> > >>>>>>>>>> through...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That
> white
> > >>>>>> piece is
> > >>>>>>>>>> glued to the boat...I’m sure of it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <
> > >>>>>> rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The pic didn’t come through?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <
> > >> oehecht at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I
> > >> pulled
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the boat
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try
> to
> > >>>>>> pull
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with
> blind
> > >>>>>> nuts and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> now
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I can’t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the
> > >>>>>> white
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> piece
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I’m afraid to
> > >>>>>> destroy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> it by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> removable?  I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the
> pivot
> > >> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. I’ll be at the boat for an hour more max,
> then I
> > >>>>>> have to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> head
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Richard Beytagh
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
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