[Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer
Ric Stott
ric at stottarchitecture.com
Tue Jun 2 07:09:23 EDT 2020
I often have trouble attaching pics. I made them very low Rez first but whatever.
I think the hose pieces I used were 5/8” diameter. Don’t slice them just cut to the same length as the depth of the tapered slot. Simple!
Ric
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> On Jun 2, 2020, at 6:02 AM, Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Graham.
>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:02 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> The pieces of hose should be long enough to fill the slot between the
>> centerboard pin and the cap. Use regular hose that is relatively soft and
>> flexible as one of the purposes of the pieces is to absorb the shock should
>> the centerboard be forced up.
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Olivier Hecht
>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 6:53 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
>> only a little while longer
>>
>> Richard, I didn’t see the picture come through. Are the hose pieces
>> “intact”, meaning I cut a few inches off of a hose but don’t have to split
>> it lengthwise or do anything else like that?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:19 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ric,
>>>
>>> I love the phrase " when the CB entered the cabin."
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> I’d rather be sailing :~)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Stott
>>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 4:40 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard
>> for
>>> only a little while longer
>>>
>>> HI Todd
>>> I don’t have a Diamond board, I have the old style CB.
>>> Here are some pics of how it is rigged including the hose pieces.
>>> They can be anything, but do not make the diameter too big or they will
>>> impede the smoothness of the CB operation (on the old stye ) They do help
>>> quiet the banging noise, but they do not prevent it.
>>> I‘ve taken my CB part 3 times now for various reasons.
>>> I don’t want to do that any more.
>>> Most recently, I installed a new cap after I destroyed the previous one
>>> when the CB entered the cabin.
>>> Boating is a sure bet that something will happen the you never, ever
>>> expected.
>>> More on that coming soon.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Someone will surely post pictures, but they drop down into the slots on
>>>> either side of the centerboard, on top of the pin.
>>>>
>>>> Todd T.
>>>>
>>>> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:13 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have pictures of how the “scrap hose pieces” fit around the
>>>>> diamondboard?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was also not shocked to not find the “two scraps of garden hose”
>> I’ve
>>>>>> heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the
>>>>> pivot
>>>>>> of the board, and my board does “rattle” while sailing whenever it’s
>>> not
>>>>>> fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of
>>> hose
>>>>>> should go when I reassemble everything? Thanks again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to
>> repair
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the
>>> layers
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> construction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love
>> them
>>>>>>>> but have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oliver,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not
>>> available
>>>>>>>>> from marine suppliers. In the case of your diamond board however
>> I
>>> do
>>>>>>>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one
>>>>>>>>> repaired
>>>>>>>>> locally. Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item. With
>> all
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass
>>>>>>>>> tiller
>>>>>>>>> or the new invention traveler system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment. Every action has an
>>> equal
>>>>>>>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke
>> that
>>>>>>>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> pull out the sail is not altered. From a 94 year old perspective
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> ounce is an item. For you young bucks the extra force needed to
>>> pull
>>>>>>>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension
>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay. Besides who
>>> sails
>>>>>>>>> at 94.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your
>>>>> inquiring
>>>>>>>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for
>>> Boston
>>>>>>>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only
>>> ones
>>>>>>>>> who also have that color. But the reflective tape idea sound
>>>>>>>>> interesting?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stan! It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed
>>> in...if
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> than definitely glued down well. I think I’d damage the hull
>>>>>>>>> interface just
>>>>>>>>>> by removing it. I’m thinking about just enlarging the inner
>> opening
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don’t think the
>> slick
>>>>>>>>> surface
>>>>>>>>>> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface
>>>>>>>>> either...that
>>>>>>>>>> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond
>>> boards,
>>>>>>>>> or is
>>>>>>>>>> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report
>>>>>>>>> what my
>>>>>>>>>>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to
>> the
>>>>>>>>> cb in
>>>>>>>>>>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the
>> white
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to
>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> fixed. AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
>>>>>>>>> DESIGNED
>>>>>>>>>>> IT TO BE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I
>> forget
>>>>>>>>>>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
>>>>>>>>> raising
>>>>>>>>>>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it
>>>>> apart
>>>>>>>>>>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked
>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>>>>>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and
>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It
>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the
>>> exchange
>>>>>>>>>>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> subject from 2003 were:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top
>> lip
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the trunk and
>>>>>>>>>>>> neoprene gasket. The question then is was there any leakage
>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fiberglass
>>>>>>>>>>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip? If no then I would leave it in
>>> place
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> just use a
>>>>>>>>>>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb
>>>>>>>>> trunk -
>>>>>>>>>>>> it should
>>>>>>>>>>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick If on the other
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>>>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do
>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> is necessary
>>>>>>>>>>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the
>>>>>>>>> trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>> lip to
>>>>>>>>>>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we
>>>>> decided
>>>>>>>>>>>> not to mess with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this
>> goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it! Here they are. That
>> white
>>>>>>>>> piece is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> glued to the boat...I’m sure of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <
>>>>>>>>> rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pic didn’t come through?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <
>>>>> oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I
>>>>> pulled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try
>> to
>>>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with
>> blind
>>>>>>>>> nuts and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can’t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the
>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I’m afraid to
>>>>>>>>> destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removable? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the
>> pivot
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. I’ll be at the boat for an hour more max,
>> then I
>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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