[Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount

Steven Alm stevenalm at gmail.com
Wed Nov 18 13:07:57 EST 2020 

Ric.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ric.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ric,
>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic,
>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the
>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There
>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the
>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do.
>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the
>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white
>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull.
>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer.
>> (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so
>> I'll send separately.)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ric,
>>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic,
>>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the
>>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There
>>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the
>>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do.
>>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the
>>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white
>>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull.
>>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer.
>>> Hope my pics come through:
>>>
>>> "Slim"
>>> Fandango
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>> I’m glad my pics came through.
>>>> Yours a looks more like Cary’s than mine.
>>>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel.
>>>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the
>>>> laz, that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips
>>>> on the inside of my rails.
>>>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel.
>>>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel
>>>> by 1/2”, so there is only a 1/2” channel to hold the motor on the boat.
>>>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom
>>>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it
>>>> vertically at least.
>>>>
>>>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction.
>>>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at
>>>> like- 3” o.c.
>>>> The material looks to be about 3/4’ x 1” - can you confirm that for me?
>>>> Are those thru bolts?
>>>> What is the backing behind the transom?
>>>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side?
>>>> Thanks - that’s alotta questions.
>>>> Ric Dadventure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>> Office  631-283-1777
>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I
>>>> would
>>>> > have thought.  Your track looks to be longer than my set up.
>>>> > Thanks again for the help.
>>>> > Cary
>>>> > S/V Whisper
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The
>>>> stopper is
>>>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side.
>>>> It is
>>>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is
>>>> covered
>>>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott <
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Nabble is a PITA
>>>> >>> Here are some pics.
>>>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary.
>>>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8” apart - out to out.
>>>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail.
>>>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom.
>>>> >>> It will be manual.
>>>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4” aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails.
>>>> >>> More to follow
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>> >>> Office  631-283-1777
>>>> >>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks Rob
>>>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions.  The more brains the
>>>> >> better.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Cary,
>>>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea.  Any
>>>> grease
>>>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear.  I
>>>> >> think a
>>>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want
>>>> to
>>>> >>> use. -
>>>> >>>>> Rob
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ________________________________
>>>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>>>> behalf of
>>>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM
>>>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same
>>>> >> mount.
>>>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the
>>>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List.
>>>> Does
>>>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as
>>>> lubricant
>>>> >> on a
>>>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of  the rails of the motor lift.
>>>> >>>>> Cary
>>>> >>>>> Whisper
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott <
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Cory
>>>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up
>>>> >> from
>>>> >>>>>> mine.  My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull.
>>>> There is
>>>> >> a
>>>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel,
>>>> bottom
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can.
>>>> >>>>>> Ric
>>>> >>>>>> Dadventure
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> trigger
>>>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert <
>>>> retiredtoby at gmail.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its  life.
>>>> That
>>>> >>>>>> system
>>>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on
>>>> my
>>>> >> 86.
>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with
>>>> all
>>>> >>>>>> electrical
>>>> >>>>>>>> controls.
>>>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be?
>>>> >>>>>>>> Cary
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE
>>>> will
>>>> >>>>> help.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge.  Seems like a variety of stops might
>>>> work.
>>>> >>>>> Good
>>>> >>>>>>>>> luck!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lee
>>>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert <
>>>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes.  My boat
>>>> was
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to
>>>> >>>>> salvage
>>>> >>>>>>>>> most
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing
>>>> patterns of
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>> old
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> parts.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I
>>>> have no
>>>> >>>>> idea
>>>> >>>>>>>>> what
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very
>>>> >> helpful.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing
>>>> any
>>>> >>>>> boat
>>>> >>>>>>>>> from
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up.  Ric I am
>>>> glad you
>>>> >>>>> can
>>>> >>>>>>>> now
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> same
>>>> >>>>>>>> set
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops?  Stan
>>>> said,
>>>> >>> he
>>>> >>>>>> no
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So
>>>> I
>>>> >> must
>>>> >>>>>>>> rely
>>>> >>>>>>>>> on
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next
>>>> season.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found
>>>> >> three
>>>> >>>>>>>> 1/4
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt
>>>> was
>>>> >>>>> sheared
>>>> >>>>>>>>> into
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
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