[Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa

Tue Nov 24 11:02:59 EST 2020

We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was probably 
faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on wing 
but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The 
photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the 
one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. 
We used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit 
of track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but 
we never did it.

As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the 
mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets.

I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down 
but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an 
issue was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and 
didn't really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous 
for me to go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it 
with the main. Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle 
because it was so lightweight.

I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group 
talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought 
one.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246

On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is to
> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay.
>
> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you found
> it helpful?
>
> Also, for those that have  the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual
> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going
> downwind?  It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have to
> worry about an accidental jibe.  I suppose it may be helpful/necessary to
> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail.
>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye
>> placement behind the forestay?  I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow
>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm working
>> on this project.  All of this will be through bolted to a backing plate on
>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately
>> supported.  I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be nice to
>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later.
>>
>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you
>> added for your UPS sail?  I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to
>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from
>>> when we were initially talking about the sail.
>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually
>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search
>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of
>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and
>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the
>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on
>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to.
>>>
>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached
>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when
>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern
>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the
>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took
>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> ex Rhodes 22
>>> now Rosborough RF-246
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote:
>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is
>>> generally
>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol  Anyone have an archive
>>> link
>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details?
>>>>
>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than
>>> 15
>>>> minutes!!
>>>>
>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are
>>> for
>>>> this community.  We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and
>>>> it's just... swell.
>>>>
>>>> Smooth sailing,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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