[Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

[Ric Stott]

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Ric
Dadventure



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On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your
experiences removing "the devil's glue."  It really helps to have the
collective knowledge and research of the group!

I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife.  I
also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very
*gentle
taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work.  The
DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project.  Until
then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at
work.

I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully not
gripping) conclusion.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
wrote:

OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached hatch
on forward deck
STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet  or cutting as this can damage the
deck.
DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer
Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait
a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience
essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will
work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a
sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat
Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion

which

is nearly impossible to break.

Maybe Debond would work on barnacles!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Graham Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to
break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only

person

to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and
similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a
sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if
there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the
future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong
adhesive but is easier to remove.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On

Behalf

Of Mark Whipple
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can
slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it
would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it
goes.

About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint.
That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble.

Good luck,

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
wrote:

Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a
sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat
before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond
but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast

aluminum.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

Careful wack with Rubber mallet!!
Ric
Dadventure

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On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis <

chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:


Hey Jesse,
Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about
impossible

to

remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90
degrees

to

a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At
some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off.
You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have
come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the
butchery method. Good luck.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker <

jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to
install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288).  The three
screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very
strongly with an adhesive.  I don't know what adhesive was used.
The adhesive is colored white.  I tried heating up the plate with a
soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable

to break the seal.


I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the
tabernacle from the cabin top.  Thanks in advance for any advice!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr
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