[Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation

[Mark Whipple]

Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a
loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the "T"
before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they
reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID
hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that high
loop.

Thanks again,

Mark

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

>
> Mark,
>   That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up ,
> add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On
> the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge
> pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose
> to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90
> is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off.
>
>   Jerry Lowe
>
>
>  Mark,
> >
> > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure.
> >
> > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal.  It’s probably
> > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have
> not
> > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat.
> >
> > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a
> > Rhodes 22.  In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while
> it
> > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day.
> > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with
> > a sponge, or you’ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery,
> > and then the boat sinks anyway.
> >
> > As to the halyard, I’ve been bitten by this myself.  In my case it was
> > to starboard as well.  Maybe moving it to port would be better.  What I
> > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck
> > mounted block out towards the hand rail.  Since that repositioning, I’ve
> > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears
> >> that
> >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You
> >> might
> >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose
> >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before
> >> I
> >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem
> >> when
> >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when
> >> I
> >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to
> >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone)
> >> because
> >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually
> >> above
> >> the waterline, but read on.
> >>
> >> The rest of the story:
> >>
> >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in
> >> Manhattan,
> >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week
> >> and
> >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A
> >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail
> >> "thrilling" moments.
> >>
> >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5
> >> kts
> >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over
> >> about
> >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under
> >> power.
> >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us).
> >> We
> >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed
> >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water
> >> in
> >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time.
> >>
> >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when
> >> I
> >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard
> >> to
> >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the
> >> problem
> >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I
> >> have
> >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke
> >> in
> >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose
> >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to
> >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure
> >> it's
> >> pretty taught.
> >>
> >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the
> >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was
> >> still
> >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring
> >> pennants
> >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect
> >> a
> >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to
> >> keep
> >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while
> >> we
> >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most
> >> of
> >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife
> >> on
> >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems).
> >>
> >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg
> >> or
> >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in
> >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the
> >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't
> >> the
> >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would
> >> end
> >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little
> >> more urgent.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> --
> >> Boston, MA
> >>
> >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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