[Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation

Wed Sep 9 10:25:51 EDT 2020

Hey Mark, you might want to put in a siphon break in at the top of the loop
so that if you are healed and the pump goes on, then stops, you would not
get a siphoned  collumn in the hose while the boat is heeled.
Chris G
Enosis

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a
> loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the "T"
> before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they
> reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID
> hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that high
> loop.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mark,
> >   That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up ,
> > add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On
> > the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge
> > pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose
> > to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90
> > is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off.
> >
> >   Jerry Lowe
> >
> >
> >  Mark,
> > >
> > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure.
> > >
> > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal.  It’s
> probably
> > > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have
> > not
> > > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat.
> > >
> > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on
> a
> > > Rhodes 22.  In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while
> > it
> > > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day.
> > > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with
> with
> > > a sponge, or you’ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery,
> > > and then the boat sinks anyway.
> > >
> > > As to the halyard, I’ve been bitten by this myself.  In my case it was
> > > to starboard as well.  Maybe moving it to port would be better.  What I
> > > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a
> deck
> > > mounted block out towards the hand rail.  Since that repositioning,
> I’ve
> > > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears
> > >> that
> > >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You
> > >> might
> > >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose
> > >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it
> before
> > >> I
> > >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem
> > >> when
> > >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it
> when
> > >> I
> > >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to
> > >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone)
> > >> because
> > >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually
> > >> above
> > >> the waterline, but read on.
> > >>
> > >> The rest of the story:
> > >>
> > >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in
> > >> Manhattan,
> > >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week
> > >> and
> > >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned
> her. A
> > >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail
> > >> "thrilling" moments.
> > >>
> > >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5
> > >> kts
> > >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over
> > >> about
> > >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under
> > >> power.
> > >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us).
> > >> We
> > >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I
> attributed
> > >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more
> water
> > >> in
> > >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time.
> > >>
> > >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main
> when
> > >> I
> > >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's
> hard
> > >> to
> > >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the
> > >> problem
> > >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I
> > >> have
> > >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke
> > >> in
> > >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose
> > >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going
> to
> > >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure
> > >> it's
> > >> pretty taught.
> > >>
> > >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above
> the
> > >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was
> > >> still
> > >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring
> > >> pennants
> > >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I
> suspect
> > >> a
> > >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to
> > >> keep
> > >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that
> while
> > >> we
> > >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most
> > >> of
> > >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my
> wife
> > >> on
> > >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems).
> > >>
> > >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg
> > >> or
> > >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water
> in
> > >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the
> > >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't
> > >> the
> > >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would
> > >> end
> > >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a
> little
> > >> more urgent.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Boston, MA
> > >>
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