[Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first

Tue Mar 9 11:42:00 EST 2021

I love butyl tape and use it everywhere that does not require adhesive properties or below the waterline. It seals beautifully and also allows the removal of the hardware easily. 

BTW, to clean up squeeze out you can get most of it off by using a small ball of butyl that will stick to the squeeze out and lift most of it. The remaining bits can be cleaned up easily with turpentine. You may find that the squeeze out will continue to flow for a very long time.

Did you consider whether there might have been any damage to the core oy your deck from the water? I would be concerned about that especially if the core is wood.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Reuben Mezrich
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first

After receiving the many excellent suggestions on where to look for leaks I
started what ended being a 1 week process to find and ultimately repair the
leak.

I first removed the cosmetic wood trim inside the forward cabin at the bow
to expose the attachments of the Jib chainplate and the Bow eye. I sprayed
water at the bow  and determined these were not the source of the leaks. I
then sprayed water on the foredeck and initially saw no water leaking into
the boat but when I came back to the boat the next morning found that some
water (about 1 - 2 cups) had collected at the bow (By now I had removed the
cushions and so could see the water in a puddle on the floor of the forward
bunk at the bow). I had some sort of a slow leak.

I then had my wife spray water on the foredeck while I was on my back in
the forecabin and was able to see that there were leaks at each of the four
legs of the pulpit. The leaks would drip onto the carpeted shelf that is at
each side of the forecabin (behind a white fiberglass trim piece) and then
the water would slowly make its way forward to trickle down at the bow end
of the forecabin.

The pulpit is attached by 3/8" bolts that are welded to each of the legs
and which extend down through holes in the deck and fastened with a flat
washer, lock washer and 9/16" nut. After unfastening the nuts the pulpit
lifted up easily. One complication is that the electrical wires that feed
the navigation lights at the bow extend through a seperate hole just
forward of the hole for the aft-starboard bolt. That wire seems to run back
to the distribution panel and has very little slack and so I had to cut
it.  When I did remove the pulpit I found there was some white sealant that
adhered to the deck but not the pulpit leg (which ends in an oval flange at
the bottom) as well as an O-ring around the base of the bolt.

After consulting with Stan, who told me that his preferred method for
keeping water out is to just use an O-ring around the nut (and not to apply
sealant), I cleaned off the old sealant (a product called ReMov which was
recommended in a Practical Sailor review, worked great for this) I put new
O-rings on. Rather than putting an O-ring around the electric wire near the
aft-starboard leg I put some wraps of butyl rubber tape abound it.
I reattached the pulpit, tightened the nuts and had my wife spray the
foredeck again and sadly found that there was again a leak (perhaps even
worse than before) at each leg - but not where the electric wire entered
the cabin.

I removed the pulpit again, removed the o_rings and this time used Butyl
tape to form the seal at each leg. Using a technique I found on You Tube I
cut a 3 - 4 inch length of the tape, rolled the tape along its length into
a tube (or rope) and then wrapped it several times about the base of the
bolt. The thickness can be adjusted by adding more or less wraps and I was
generous, using the entire 3 - 4 inch tape at each leg. I added more Butyl
to the electric wire.

After putting the pulpit back in place and only moderately tightening the
nuts, my wife sprayed the foredeck again and this time - success - no
leaks!!

I have become a big fan of Butyl rubber tape, which to be honest I hadn't
even heard about till last week!

Of course now I have to splice back the electric wire for the navigation
light and replace the cosmetic wood trim I removed, but I am much relieved
that this problem is solved

Thanks for your advice and support

--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota
Cell: 410-499-8922

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 12:49 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

> I like to tape paper towels around the suspected areas and see which ones
> show moisture first, then investigate further from there .
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> Jerry Lowe
> S/V Country Rhodes '86
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> > Roger, Rob and Mike
> > Thanks for the good suggestions. I'll start by taking off that
> cosmeticsus
> > piece of wood at the bow and see what's behind. If nothing is loose I"ll
> > have someone aim a hose at the bow while I"m inside watching in the hope
> > that I might actually see where the water is getting in.
> > I really do hope I don't have to rebed everything.
> > Probably won't be able to do this till the weekend..I"ll report back on
> > what I find
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> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> > Cell: 410-499-8922
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> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 5:15 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Reuben,
> >>
> >> I would check the bow eye. The wood backing block usually rots and the
> >> eye
> >> loosens up. Sometimes just lifting the boat using the bow eye will cause
> >> the eye to loosen as the wood compresses.
> >>
> >> Also, you may want to re-bed the bow pulpit rail deck fittings, chocks,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> I’d rather be sailing :~)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 4:08 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first
> >>
> >> As I mentioned a week or two ago, I installed a Marinco 3" Day/night
> >> solar
> >> vent at the bow, using the hole already in place for the anchor locker.
> >> It
> >> installed easily, seemed to work fine but a few days later we had a
> >> heavy
> >> rain and the next day the forward tips of the forward cabin cushions
> >> were
> >> wet. I removed the vent, replaced the deck plate, installed a new gasket
> >> under the deck plate, applied a generous amount of RTV silicone to both
> >> sides of the gasket and reinstalled the solar vent. The next day
> >> (yesterday
> >> actually) I used a hose to rain water on the forward deck, aiming at the
> >> solar vent for about 6 minutes and when I checked below everything was
> >> dry.
> >> I checked again in an hour and it was still dry.
> >> This morning there was about a cup of water, maybe two cups of water at
> >> the bow. There was no water in the tray that serves as the anchor locker
> >> and which is directly under the solar vent. The vent itself was dry as
> >> was
> >> the ceiling around the vent. The walls were also dry. I dried the water
> >> with a towel and a few hours later a small amount of water seemed to be
> >> seeping under a triangular piece of wood at the very  bow of the boat
> >> (see
> >> attached photo). I haven't removed that piece of wood yet but I'm pretty
> >> sure I'll find the bolts from the chain plate at the bow for the jib
> >> stay.
> >> My feeling now is that the solar vent was never the source of the leak
> >> but
> >> I've had a small leak for a while but never noticed because I never had
> >> a
> >> reason to go up to the very front of the forward cabin. As it turns out
> >> the
> >> bottom of the cushions, which are rubberized are stained, giving
> >> evidence
> >> that the leak is likely long standing.
> >> Those bolts would be my best guess as the source of the leak but I'd
> >> look
> >> forward to suggestions as to where else I might look.
> >>
> >> Its always something
> >>
> >> --Reuben
> >>
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> >> Cell: 410-499-8922
> >>
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