[Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first

[Tom Van Heule]

One of my.pulpit legs broke free (with the wires) on the 2000+ mile
shipment home.

I used a buytl gasket (self made) on top and loaded the, since elongated
hole, up with epoxy and then a layer of marine goop. Underside a washer to
hold it all "up". Tourqued all the pulpit botls and checked again.  It's
held so far. I don't envy my future going back in there, but should ever
have to....

Great info folks! Thank you for sharing your tribulations.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 10:42 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I love butyl tape and use it everywhere that does not require adhesive
> properties or below the waterline. It seals beautifully and also allows the
> removal of the hardware easily.
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> BTW, to clean up squeeze out you can get most of it off by using a small
> ball of butyl that will stick to the squeeze out and lift most of it. The
> remaining bits can be cleaned up easily with turpentine. You may find that
> the squeeze out will continue to flow for a very long time.
>
> Did you consider whether there might have been any damage to the core oy
> your deck from the water? I would be concerned about that especially if the
> core is wood.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Reuben Mezrich
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first
>
> After receiving the many excellent suggestions on where to look for leaks I
> started what ended being a 1 week process to find and ultimately repair the
> leak.
>
> I first removed the cosmetic wood trim inside the forward cabin at the bow
> to expose the attachments of the Jib chainplate and the Bow eye. I sprayed
> water at the bow  and determined these were not the source of the leaks. I
> then sprayed water on the foredeck and initially saw no water leaking into
> the boat but when I came back to the boat the next morning found that some
> water (about 1 - 2 cups) had collected at the bow (By now I had removed the
> cushions and so could see the water in a puddle on the floor of the forward
> bunk at the bow). I had some sort of a slow leak.
>
> I then had my wife spray water on the foredeck while I was on my back in
> the forecabin and was able to see that there were leaks at each of the four
> legs of the pulpit. The leaks would drip onto the carpeted shelf that is at
> each side of the forecabin (behind a white fiberglass trim piece) and then
> the water would slowly make its way forward to trickle down at the bow end
> of the forecabin.
>
> The pulpit is attached by 3/8" bolts that are welded to each of the legs
> and which extend down through holes in the deck and fastened with a flat
> washer, lock washer and 9/16" nut. After unfastening the nuts the pulpit
> lifted up easily. One complication is that the electrical wires that feed
> the navigation lights at the bow extend through a seperate hole just
> forward of the hole for the aft-starboard bolt. That wire seems to run back
> to the distribution panel and has very little slack and so I had to cut
> it.  When I did remove the pulpit I found there was some white sealant that
> adhered to the deck but not the pulpit leg (which ends in an oval flange at
> the bottom) as well as an O-ring around the base of the bolt.
>
> After consulting with Stan, who told me that his preferred method for
> keeping water out is to just use an O-ring around the nut (and not to apply
> sealant), I cleaned off the old sealant (a product called ReMov which was
> recommended in a Practical Sailor review, worked great for this) I put new
> O-rings on. Rather than putting an O-ring around the electric wire near the
> aft-starboard leg I put some wraps of butyl rubber tape abound it.
> I reattached the pulpit, tightened the nuts and had my wife spray the
> foredeck again and sadly found that there was again a leak (perhaps even
> worse than before) at each leg - but not where the electric wire entered
> the cabin.
>
> I removed the pulpit again, removed the o_rings and this time used Butyl
> tape to form the seal at each leg. Using a technique I found on You Tube I
> cut a 3 - 4 inch length of the tape, rolled the tape along its length into
> a tube (or rope) and then wrapped it several times about the base of the
> bolt. The thickness can be adjusted by adding more or less wraps and I was
> generous, using the entire 3 - 4 inch tape at each leg. I added more Butyl
> to the electric wire.
>
> After putting the pulpit back in place and only moderately tightening the
> nuts, my wife sprayed the foredeck again and this time - success - no
> leaks!!
>
> I have become a big fan of Butyl rubber tape, which to be honest I hadn't
> even heard about till last week!
>
> Of course now I have to splice back the electric wire for the navigation
> light and replace the cosmetic wood trim I removed, but I am much relieved
> that this problem is solved
>
> Thanks for your advice and support
>
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> Cell: 410-499-8922
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 12:49 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>
> > I like to tape paper towels around the suspected areas and see which ones
> > show moisture first, then investigate further from there .
> >
> >
> > Jerry Lowe
> > S/V Country Rhodes '86
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> >
> > > Roger, Rob and Mike
> > > Thanks for the good suggestions. I'll start by taking off that
> > cosmeticsus
> > > piece of wood at the bow and see what's behind. If nothing is loose
> I"ll
> > > have someone aim a hose at the bow while I"m inside watching in the
> hope
> > > that I might actually see where the water is getting in.
> > > I really do hope I don't have to rebed everything.
> > > Probably won't be able to do this till the weekend..I"ll report back on
> > > what I find
> > >
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> > > Cell: 410-499-8922
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 5:15 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Reuben,
> > >>
> > >> I would check the bow eye. The wood backing block usually rots and the
> > >> eye
> > >> loosens up. Sometimes just lifting the boat using the bow eye will
> cause
> > >> the eye to loosen as the wood compresses.
> > >>
> > >> Also, you may want to re-bed the bow pulpit rail deck fittings,
> chocks,
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> I’d rather be sailing :~)
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 4:08 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leak at the bow....where to look first
> > >>
> > >> As I mentioned a week or two ago, I installed a Marinco 3" Day/night
> > >> solar
> > >> vent at the bow, using the hole already in place for the anchor
> locker.
> > >> It
> > >> installed easily, seemed to work fine but a few days later we had a
> > >> heavy
> > >> rain and the next day the forward tips of the forward cabin cushions
> > >> were
> > >> wet. I removed the vent, replaced the deck plate, installed a new
> gasket
> > >> under the deck plate, applied a generous amount of RTV silicone to
> both
> > >> sides of the gasket and reinstalled the solar vent. The next day
> > >> (yesterday
> > >> actually) I used a hose to rain water on the forward deck, aiming at
> the
> > >> solar vent for about 6 minutes and when I checked below everything was
> > >> dry.
> > >> I checked again in an hour and it was still dry.
> > >> This morning there was about a cup of water, maybe two cups of water
> at
> > >> the bow. There was no water in the tray that serves as the anchor
> locker
> > >> and which is directly under the solar vent. The vent itself was dry as
> > >> was
> > >> the ceiling around the vent. The walls were also dry. I dried the
> water
> > >> with a towel and a few hours later a small amount of water seemed to
> be
> > >> seeping under a triangular piece of wood at the very  bow of the boat
> > >> (see
> > >> attached photo). I haven't removed that piece of wood yet but I'm
> pretty
> > >> sure I'll find the bolts from the chain plate at the bow for the jib
> > >> stay.
> > >> My feeling now is that the solar vent was never the source of the leak
> > >> but
> > >> I've had a small leak for a while but never noticed because I never
> had
> > >> a
> > >> reason to go up to the very front of the forward cabin. As it turns
> out
> > >> the
> > >> bottom of the cushions, which are rubberized are stained, giving
> > >> evidence
> > >> that the leak is likely long standing.
> > >> Those bolts would be my best guess as the source of the leak but I'd
> > >> look
> > >> forward to suggestions as to where else I might look.
> > >>
> > >> Its always something
> > >>
> > >> --Reuben
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota
> > >> Cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>
> > >> >
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