[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Wed Oct 20 19:18:48 EDT 2021

Shawn,

2 bitcoins worth! Oh my! That's no longer considered free advice at $132,140 (current value of 2 bitcoins in USD).

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I’d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Shawn Boles
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Tom:

I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the yard washes her at both ends of the season.

I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think  teaching your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.

My 2 bitcoins worth.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/ v Sweet Baboo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy 
> tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of 
> putting in next year.
>
> We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know 
> at least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and 
> Jessie and Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't 
> mention in passion would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone 
> stripped me.? Lol
>
> A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness, Love our r22, 
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule < 
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just 
> > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with 
> > another r22 owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> >
> >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation 
> > of this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> We
> > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. 
> > (Triple printing USD these last two years aside)
> >
> > All comments on this appreciated,
> > Fair winds,
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most 
> >> knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get 
> >> an opinion from
> him.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > F...
> >> >
> >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> >> resource
> >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or 
> >> > something
> >> has
> >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has 
> >> > some
> >> "super
> >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> >> doesn't?”
> >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how 
> >> > they
> F'd
> >> up.
> >> > Pardon my french.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
> >> And I
> >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle 
> >> > because his expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> >> >
> >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> >> >
> >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I 
> >> > minimize exposure to them.
> >> >
> >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> >> >
> >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am 
> >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> >> >
> >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again, Tom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom,
> >> >>
> >> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> >> substrate.
> >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
> >> even
> >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from Mail<
> >>
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> >> for Windows
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ooooof...
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> this
> >> now?
> >> >>
> >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
> >> guys
> >> >> messed it up?
> >> >>
> >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> >> ground in
> >> >> by the buffing?
> >> >>
> >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
> >> with
> >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
> >> No
> >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tom,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> pressure
> >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> >> going to
> >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> >> >> their
> >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to worry about
> >> >> osmotic
> >> >>> blisters!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >
> >> >> for Windows
> >> >>>
> >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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