[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Thu Oct 21 19:11:48 EDT 2021

It look to my eye your hull had no bottom paint or it abatived off. To the
point it started growing things. Is thier any gel coat damage? Can not tell
what the white stuff damage? is or just something on the surface?  In the
end , if it damage, you might have to soad blast, flair, barrier and two
coats of mincon. Btw if you are in the mood Larson is 30 miles south for a
second option.

Btw if is just surface you still you still might want to clean it up as
above

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:33 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> CuSO4 is green blue. Maybe they used something with sulphuric?  Well
> doesn’t matter they screwed it up.
> Chris Enosis
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:16 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > CuO2 should be red, not green?
> > Thanks all.  I expect a call from the  shop owners tomorrow and will keep
> > you posted.  You're my sanity check, and specific experience trump's
> > specific.
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can’t
> > > sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
> > > Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind)
> would
> > > react with the Cu in the paint, no?
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> > > Rhodes Greece
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> > > > surveyor?)
> > > > > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> > > > render
> > > > > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person
> > than a
> > > > > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage
> > you'll
> > > > > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very
> > curious
> > > > to
> > > > > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip
> paint
> > > and
> > > > > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > > > > parties.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > Boston, MA
> > > > >
> > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <
> shawn.sustain at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tom:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed
> > infested
> > > > > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the
> finish
> > -
> > > > the
> > > > > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > > > > teaching
> > > > > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Shawn
> > > > > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with
> > his
> > > > guy
> > > > > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages
> Infront
> > > of
> > > > > > > putting in next year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I
> > > know
> > > > at
> > > > > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > > > Jessie
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't
> mention
> > in
> > > > > > passion
> > > > > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > > > > Love our r22,
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new
> bottom,
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > > another
> > > > > > r22
> > > > > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> > > > observation
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > > > > materials.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in
> > value.
> > > > > > (Triple
> > > > > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Tom,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > > > > knowledgeable
> > > > > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an
> > opinion
> > > > from
> > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > F...
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat
> it?
> > > Any
> > > > > > > >> resource
> > > > > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube
> or
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the
> R22
> > > has
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > >> "super
> > > > > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> > > > service
> > > > > > > >> doesn't?”
> > > > > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know
> > how
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > F'd
> > > > > > > >> up.
> > > > > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son
> > > with
> > > > > > me...
> > > > > > > >> And I
> > > > > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > > > because
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a
> > $$$$.xx
> > > > > > spend.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better
> I
> > > > > minimize
> > > > > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I
> am
> > > > > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > > > > >> > Tom
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the
> > FRP
> > > > > > > >> substrate.
> > > > > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in
> > the
> > > > > water
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > >> even
> > > > > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have
> had
> > a
> > > > fit!
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > > >> for Windows
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk
> it
> > > out.
> > > > > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a
> > > refinish
> > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to
> > deal
> > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >> now?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years
> sitting
> > > in
> > > > > lake
> > > > > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > > > > freshwater
> > > > > > > >> guys
> > > > > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life,
> that's
> > > > been
> > > > > > > >> ground in
> > > > > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I
> > just
> > > > hit
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that
> and a
> > > > > > brush...
> > > > > > > >> No
> > > > > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into
> > > their
> > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to
> > > cover
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate,
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > > >> going to
> > > > > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST
> system
> > > > epoxy
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > >> >> their
> > > > > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to
> > worry
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
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> > > > > > > >> >> for Windows
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> > > > > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > > > > cleaning?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > > > > detail....
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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