[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1

[joedempsey]

There could be debris in the mast. I had a problem with wasps nesting in the slot. Maybe having the sail cleaned might help also. And of course,  spraying silicone inside and along the boom slot.Last, but not least  the boom must be perpendicular to the mast. If not it will stick for sure.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Date: 4/29/22  9:02 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to	rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at	rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."Today's Topics:   1. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)   2. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)   3. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mark West)   4. IMF sail sticking (Weiss, Robert L)   5. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)   6. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Hank)   7. Re: A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4 (Reuben Mezrich)   8. Re: A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4 (Chris Geankoplis)   9. Re: IMF sail sticking (Peter Nyberg)  10. Re: IMF sail sticking (Lowe, Rob)  11. Re: IMF sail sticking (Cary Tolbert)  12. Re: IMF sail sticking (stan)  13. Re: IMF sail sticking (PBR)  14. Re: How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance? (Bob Cohen)  15. Re: How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance? (ROGER PIHLAJA)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:50:46 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <948C8EA0-FF96-4081-9077-10B31C3C7DD4 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Thanks Mark and thanks Jerry, that would be awesome!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 1:13 AM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote:> > ?  If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and> still have a set left.> > Jerry Lowe>  S/V Country Rhodes '86> > > > > > Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>> contact info and send it to you .   Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----->> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>> >> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>> Mitch>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 852850 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL:>> <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 1014602 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL:>> <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> > > ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:53:13 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <9AEA95D7-19A8-4336-8E9E-9377A0CEC0F1 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Your absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.> > Chris Geankoplis> Enosis> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:>> >>  If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and>> still have a set left.>> >> Jerry Lowe>>  S/V Country Rhodes '86>> >> >> >> >> >> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>>> contact info and send it to you .   Mark>>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>>> >>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>>> Mitch>>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 852850 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 1014602 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:26:27 +0000 (UTC)From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <1555052565.1074674.1651065987461 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"to get parts e mail Stan at General Boats or Charles at? ?charles.gabriel at gmail.com-----Original Message-----From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2022 6:53 amSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementYour absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.> > Chris Geankoplis> Enosis> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:>> >>? If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and>> still have a set left.>> >> Jerry Lowe>>? S/V Country Rhodes '86>> >> >> >> >> >> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>>> contact info and send it to you .? Mark>>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>>> >>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>>> Mitch>>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 852850 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 1014602 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:41:38 +0000From: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CH0PR07MB83787A8290F064323E1CFA55C6FA9 at CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it used to be.Thanks for your help.BobBeach Spring1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014Robert L Weiss Jr.Director of MusicFirst United Methodist Carbondale, ILProfessor Emeritus, SIUC------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:48:56 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID:	<CAFTyJNWOtMb1MTY2AT9KyVtZipQwZaEM8qRyTu+hm2BUzEzKOw at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. Itdid seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,MMOn Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay Mark>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>> Mitch,>> I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF> assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?>> In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures clearly> shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>> > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:> >> > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast> that I> > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need> to be> > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes> 22-5.jpg]> > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be> > appreciated! I've attached some photos.> > Mitch> >>>>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:18:18 -0400From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID:	<CADQNfMCYYLJ0MYKgLVWMF11VuVyyJ6gEvSOQ+9KtDC9Ej-cqhQ at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"The only wires on the boat all conduct electricity.  What you are talkingabout are the stays, also known as the standing rigging. The runningrigging is your lines used to control the sail such as the halyards (whichyou may or may not even have depending on how your boat is configured) andthe sheets.On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:> Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. It> did seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,> MM>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>> > I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay> Mark> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement> >> > Mitch,> >> > I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF> > assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?> >> > In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures clearly> > shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.> >> > Peter Nyberg> > Coventry, CT> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> >> > > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:> > >> > > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast> > that I> > > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need> > to be> > > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes> > 22-5.jpg]> > > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be> > > appreciated! I've attached some photos.> > > Mitch> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:40:43 -0400From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4Message-ID:	<CAHrO9mtuUR8rSL=VgKSuHLz5G-6i7R+rvexaurMiJe6zUXMp+g at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ChrisLoved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar tothe small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both areremnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how thingswere always built around the mediterranean.Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?--ReubenReuben MezrichPelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>wrote:> Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our> Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal> which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time> not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing>> Chris & Alice Geankoplis> Enosis>------------------------------Message: 8Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:21:44 -0400From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4Message-ID:	<CADNTwiX2JoiP8O-r5wTSxw7iod23cz02fbUPGm+BSUNVmk3MVA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hey Reuben,The layout is strictly Byzantine in Monemvasia. No pre-existing Romantemplates. But the Western then Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines)controlled and built in Jerusalem for 700 years.  So no doubt someoverlapping architecture.Aw I think Alice and I will just mosey our way north and take a break fromjournaling. I?ve still got  something like 12 more weeks of Rhodes in theMed. By the time I?m done, we will be back in FL. Grin.Chris & AliceOn Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:41 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> Chris> Loved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.> I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar to> the small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both are> remnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how things> were always built around the mediterranean.>> Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?>> --Reuben>> Reuben Mezrich> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our> > Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal> > which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find> time> > not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.> >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing> >> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis> > Enosis> >>------------------------------Message: 9Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:07:23 -0700From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID: <E1nk5jn-006EaI-Fp at s152.servername.online>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Bob,Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the > block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that > bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, > my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in > the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. > I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it > used to be. > > Thanks for your help.> Bob> Beach Spring> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> > > > Robert L Weiss Jr.> Director of Music> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> ------------------------------Message: 10Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:18:01 +0000From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<DM6PR05MB6985892FC5109976CAE43EFAC1FD9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Bob,You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.  Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.Rob-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingBob,Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to > pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure > the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut > back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when > pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as > smooth as it used to be.> > Thanks for your help.> Bob> Beach Spring> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> > > > Robert L Weiss Jr.> Director of Music> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> ------------------------------Message: 11Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:21:30 -0400From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CAPQvPRrLm90P7ZVxDE5K4NnGegyMZJ1piu387YHRs4rkvwVeqA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Robert, I had a very similar problem with my IMF. I kept applying thesailkote which eased the problem somewhat  but it kept getting worse. Ipulled the system out at the end of the year after I pulled the boat forthe season. The problem was that one of the spacers had split and brokenoff. I guess it jammed the movement of the system sparoticaly. I contactedGeneral Boats and found they did not sell just the replacement piece Ineeded. They only sell the entire assembly. Which I think was $300 plus andtook months and months to receive after I ordered it. If you have the toolsand skills you can make the part. It consists of STARBOARD and stainlesssteel screws and bolts. These parts are not under much stress, so I guessit is just heat from the sun and inside the mast that makes it brittle.Here is hoping it is something simple. Good Luck.Cary TolbertS/V WhisperClaytor Lake VAOn Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:18 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:> Bob,> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts> inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.>> Rob>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Peter Nyberg> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking>> Bob,>> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has> loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need> to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to> pull out the whole thing.>> It's been my experience that when something is not working right,> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the> problem.>> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>> > On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:> >> > I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few> problems.> > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to> > pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure> > the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut> > back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when> > pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> > I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as> > smooth as it used to be.> >> > Thanks for your help.> > Bob> > Beach Spring> > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> >> >> >> > Robert L Weiss Jr.> > Director of Music> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC> >>>------------------------------Message: 12Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:33:09 -0400From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID: <b9c6a255-1807-ca5e-83e7-d3f525f2e954 at generalboats.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"Dear ROC member Bob,Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.? Contact me directly.? As Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast), can't fix.stanOn 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:> Bob,> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.  Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.>> Rob>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking>> Bob,>> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.>> It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.>> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>>> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>>>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems.>> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to>> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure>> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut>> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when>> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.>> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as>> smooth as it used to be.>>>> Thanks for your help.>> Bob>> Beach Spring>> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014>>>>>>>> Robert L Weiss Jr.>> Director of Music>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC>>------------------------------Message: 13Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:59:33 -0400From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CAJGJx+CGbkxETGuNzuPtxzY5M1q3VY8uRy_ptiyhhPjy0nkH+g at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Bob,I once replaced one of the screws in that block with one that was a bit toolong and unknowingly contacted the furling tube, causing some sticking.Could be that if you changed any parts.PatrickOn Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 12:33 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> Dear ROC member Bob,>> Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.  Contact me directly.  As> Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be> something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast),> can't fix.>> stan>> On 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:> > Bob,> > You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts> inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.> >> > Rob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf Of> Peter Nyberg> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> > To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking> >> > Bob,> >> > Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has> loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need> to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to> pull out the whole thing.> >> > It's been my experience that when something is not working right,> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the> problem.> >> > Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.> >> > Peter Nyberg> > Coventry, CT> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> >> >> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:> >>> >> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few> problems.> >> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to> >> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure> >> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut> >> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when> >> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> >> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as> >> smooth as it used to be.> >>> >> Thanks for your help.> >> Bob> >> Beach Spring> >> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> >>> >>> >>> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.> >> Director of Music> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> >>>>>>------------------------------Message: 14Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:48:22 -0400From: "Bob Cohen" <bobfcohen at gmail.com>To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind	performance?Message-ID: <066b01d85b49$af148f10$0d3dad30$@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"Dennis -I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. Bob Cohens/v Silver Bay-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeelySent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?Thanks for the invitation Stephen! We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.  And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!DennisS/V Magic MomentsM/V Magic Moments, the Sequel    ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen StaumSent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an'83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.*Thanks and Stay Well,**Stephen Staum**s/v Pinafore**Needham, MA*On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>wrote:> Salute Stephen -> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I > really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal > well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail > a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the > water, and she's happy with it!> Dennis McNeely>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of > Stephen Staum> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I > noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the > boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill > causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the > boat normally sits with the bow lower.> Where are you from Dennis?>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*>> *Stephen Staum*> *s/v Pinafore*>> *Needham, MA*>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < > mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>> wrote:>> > Greetings all -> > One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the > > bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter > > the force of the sails.> > Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the > > sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.> > That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but > > it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is > > too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying > > to balance your rig is a non-starter.> > Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is > > riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you > > won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force > > of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the > > spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).> > The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.> > Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> >> > Mike,> >> > Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.> > Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, > > establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.> > Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the > > IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.> > Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good > > as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral > > or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have > > eliminated> all the weather helm.> >> > By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.> > I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.> > As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no > > matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t > > go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape > > of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You > > counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail > > area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.> > You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep > > the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance > > the> helm.> >> > In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how > > the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig > > tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even > > though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, > > he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go > > straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, > > the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The > > helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the > > weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always > > be reduced to take> the pressure off the tiller.> > Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing > > amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing > > ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller > > is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, > > centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the > > required> lift for the boat to be able to point.> >> > Roger Pihlaja> > S/V Dynamic Equilbrium> >> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > > Windows> >> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> >> > Mike,> >> > A couple of things to check:> >> > 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?> >> > 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?> >> > 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler > > to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and > > there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail > > foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you > > can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best > > that is> possible.> >> > 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.  > > It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.> > Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head > > rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form > > an efficient slot with the mainsail.> >> > 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the > > tension in the standing rigging.> >> > The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big > > sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very > > slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce > > the> mast rake angle.> > ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.> >> > My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot > > of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.> >> > Hopefully, these suggestions help.> >> > Roger Pihlaja> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium> >> > Sent from my iPhone> >> > > On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:> > >> > > ?Hi All,> > >> > > Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm > > > starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.> > > While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and > > > want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she > > > does not go to> > windward very well for me.> > >> > >> > > I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I > > > have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and > > > handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.> > > Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.> > >> > > Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds > > > and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing > > > ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail > > > shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this > > > configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength > > > and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will > > > retain the ability to use a whisker> > pole on downwind legs.> > >> > > I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat > > > alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second > > > set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch > > > between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also, > > > those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle > > > to the clew with the> > jib cars.> > >> > > I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you > > > have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > > Mike McKay> > > s/v Liber (2006/2018)> > > Allatoona Lake> > > Acworth, GA> > >> > >> >> >> >>>------------------------------Message: 15Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:02:35 +0000From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind	performance?Message-ID:	<CH2PR02MB69203F2483258E88DFBD768D80FC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hi All,This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like heeling, get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I don?t mean a small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to capsize.  I mean get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  Every year, I take my Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You do have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever change the way you look at monohull sailboats.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Dennis -> > I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.> > My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.> > If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. > > Bob Cohen> s/v Silver Bay> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeely> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> > Thanks for the invitation Stephen! > > We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>> > But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.  > > And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!> > Dennis> S/V Magic Moments> M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel >   ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> > Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?> I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an> '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.> > Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.> The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!> > So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.> > > *Thanks and Stay Well,*> > *Stephen Staum*> *s/v Pinafore*> > *Needham, MA*> > > >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>>> wrote:>> >> Salute Stephen ->> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I >> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal >> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail >> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the >> water, and she's happy with it!>> Dennis McNeely>> >> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of >> Stephen Staum>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>> >> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I >> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the >> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill >> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the >> boat normally sits with the bow lower.>> Where are you from Dennis?>> >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*>> >> *Stephen Staum*>> *s/v Pinafore*>> >> *Needham, MA*>> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < >> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>>> wrote:>> >>> Greetings all ->>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the >>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter >>> the force of the sails.>>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the >>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.>>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but >>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is >>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying >>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.>>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is >>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you >>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force >>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the >>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).>>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.>>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely>>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>>> >>> Mike,>>> >>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.>>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, >>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.>>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the >>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.>>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good >>> as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral >>> or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have >>> eliminated>> all the weather helm.>>> >>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.>>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.>>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no >>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t >>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape >>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You >>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail >>> area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.>>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep >>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance >>> the>> helm.>>> >>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how >>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig >>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even >>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, >>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go >>> straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, >>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The >>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the >>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always >>> be reduced to take>> the pressure off the tiller.>>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing >>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing >>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller >>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, >>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the >>> required>> lift for the boat to be able to point.>>> >>> Roger Pihlaja>>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium>>> >>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7713637c4e974990e5da08da2960d40f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637867793114335541%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hZxNo3h0a1lZA635p3cIqyflTwVxSczA58rMy41fONY%3D&reserved=0> for >>> Windows>>> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>>> >>> Mike,>>> >>> A couple of things to check:>>> >>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?>>> >>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?>>> >>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler >>> to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and >>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail >>> foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you >>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best >>> that is>> possible.>>> >>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.  >>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.>>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head >>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form >>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.>>> >>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the >>> tension in the standing rigging.>>> >>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big >>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very >>> slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce >>> the>> mast rake angle.>>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.>>> >>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot >>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.>>> >>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.>>> >>> Roger Pihlaja>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone>>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:>>>> >>>> ?Hi All,>>>> >>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm >>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.>>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and >>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she >>>> does not go to>>> windward very well for me.>>>> >>>> >>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I >>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and >>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.>>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.>>>> >>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds >>>> and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing >>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail >>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this >>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength >>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will >>>> retain the ability to use a whisker>>> pole on downwind legs.>>>> >>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat >>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second >>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch >>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also, >>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle >>>> to the clew with the>>> jib cars.>>>> >>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you >>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.>>>> >>>> Thanks,>>>> >>>> >>>> Mike McKay>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)>>>> Allatoona Lake>>>> Acworth, GA>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________Rhodes22-list mailing listRhodes22-list at rhodes22.orghttp://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list------------------------------End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1**********************************************