[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

Thu May 19 10:36:36 EDT 2022

You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions and
boards?

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and
> they are both personal:
> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
> Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ric,
> >
> > Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the
> bench seat?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the
> cockpit sole.
> >> Ric
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ric,
> >>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> starboard
> >>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
> panels
> >>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top.
> I
> >>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> >>>
> >>> Roger,
> >>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> language,
> >>> please see pictures attached.
> >>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
> top up
> >>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
> >>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be
> able
> >>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> >>>
> >>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
> >>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
> cabin.
> >>>
> >>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
> >>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> >>> It is still a work in progress.
> >>>
> >>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> >>>
> >>> patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Patrick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> However, I
> >>>> have two questions:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> >>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
> top
> >>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
> hatch
> >>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> >>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> >>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> screens,
> >>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
> hard
> >>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> >>>>
> >>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
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> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
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> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
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> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
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> >>>>
> >>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
> >>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
> behind
> >>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
> >>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
> >>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>
> >>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> >>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> support
> >>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
> >>>> cockpit sole for more.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> >>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Very impressive!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> >>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> >>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> bulkhead. I
> >>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
> >>>> height
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> stow the boards.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> patrick
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
> >>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
> take
> >>>>>> green
> >>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
> lip
> >>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
> the
> >>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
> >>>> edge.
> >>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
> >>>> even
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>>>
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> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
> The
> >>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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