[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
Ric Stott
ric at stottarchitecture.com
Thu May 19 10:21:31 EDT 2022
I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and they are both personal:
1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to get to and close to their intended purpose.
2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
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> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ric,
>
> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the bench seat?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick - you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the cockpit sole.
>> Ric
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ric,
>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>>>
>>> Roger,
>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
>>> please see pictures attached.
>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>>>
>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.
>>>
>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>>> It is still a work in progress.
>>>
>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>>>
>>> patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure. However, I
>>>> have two questions:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards. On your hard pop top
>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>>> 2. The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>>> windows. Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain. Does your hard
>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>>>
>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>>>>
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>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag. This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
>>>> the cockpit seats. I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>>> place. There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>>>
>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>
>>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>>> height
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>>> moving. However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>>>>> green
>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough. Patrick is correct about the
>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>>> edge.
>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>>> even
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one. You're just keeping rain out. The
>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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