[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
Patrick Cheung
chitakcheung at gmail.com
Wed May 18 17:37:46 EDT 2022
Hi Ric,
Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the bench seat?
Thanks,
Patrick
> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> Patrick - you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the cockpit sole.
> Ric
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
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>
>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ric,
>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>>
>> Roger,
>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
>> please see pictures attached.
>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>>
>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.
>>
>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>> It is still a work in progress.
>>
>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>>
>> patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure. However, I
>>> have two questions:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards. On your hard pop top
>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>> 2. The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>> windows. Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain. Does your hard
>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>>
>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>>>
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>>>
>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>> into a 20 liter dry bag. This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
>>> the cockpit seats. I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>> place. There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>>
>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>>
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>
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>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>
>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>> height
>>>>> to
>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>> moving. However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>>>> green
>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough. Patrick is correct about the
>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>> edge.
>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>> even
>>>>> at
>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one. You're just keeping rain out. The
>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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