[Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length

Thu May 4 22:05:39 EDT 2023

Thanks Roger!  Greatly appreciated!

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Matt,
>
> The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium on a light
> air close reach with a triradial spinnaker.  You can see the spinnaker
> furling sock all bunched up near the masthead.  Note how the T-Track and
> topping lift have enabled me to adjust the inboard end and outboard ends of
> the spinnaker pole until it is level, thus giving the maximum possible
> projection.  The topping lift control line  is led back to the cockpit.  On
> this light air day, I haven’t bothered to rig the spinnaker pole vang
> because there isn’t enough wind to cause the spinnaker pole to rise up.
> You can tell it’s a very light air day because the water looks glassy.
> Despite the light air, supporting the outboard end of the spinnaker pole
> has enabled the spinnaker to inflate and provide useful thrust.  You can
> see how the weight of the spinnaker sheets are dragging the clew down.
> It’s not enough to cause the spinnaker to collapse; but, some lighter
> sheets would have been useful that day.
>
> I don’t have a similar photo of my cruising spinnaker or the genoa; but,
> they work the same way.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 1:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length
>
> Matt,
>
> The attached .jpeg file is a picture of S/V Dynamic Equilibrium with the
> previously discussed foredeck sail handling gear labeled.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length
>
> Matt,
>
> In order to be “legal” under PHRF racing rules, a spinnaker pole can only
> be as long as the so called J dimension.  The J dimension is the distance
> from the front of the mast to the forestay.  In the case of the Rhodes 22,
> J = 106” or 8.83’.  With downwind sailing, speed is all about projected
> sail area.  The longer the pole, the further outboard the clew of any
> foresail can be held and hence the larger the projected area.  More
> projection gets a greater % of the foresail out from behind the wind shadow
> of the mast and mainsail, into clear air for more thrust.   This is why the
> racing rules limit pole length to something realistic.  Most PHRF race
> committees would consider your whisker pole a spinnaker pole and it would
> be considered “legal”, if not ideal.  A 7’ long whisker pole is not the
> ideal length for a Rhodes 22.  But, a free “short” whisker pole is better
> than no whisker pole 😉
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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> From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
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> Thanks Roger.  Makes sense. I have been given a 7’ spinnaker pole and was
> wondering if that was about right. :)
>
> Matt
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > There is no single “ideal length” whisker pole.  The correct length
> > depends on the wind speed and point of sail.  I use a Forespar 6’-12’
> > Aluminum Telescoping Whisker Pole with latching type SL fttings on both
> > ends.  The outer tube OD is 1-1/4”.  Don’t use a smaller diameter pole
> than
> > 1-1/4” OD or your genoa will fold it half!  This whisker pole is
> available
> > from West Marine, C/N: 112110 , M/N: 406100, Price: $192.99 + S&H.  This
> > kit will come with a fixed ring for the mast.  This fixed ring is OK;
> but,
> > I like to be able to adjust the inboard height of the pole.  So, I have
> an
> > 18” long piece of Schaefer 1” racing T-Track on the mast and a ring on a
> > car that slides on this track.  I also use the T-Track for my triradial
> > spinnaker.  I prefer the racing vs. the standard T-Track because the
> holes
> > are closer together on the racing T-Track, thus permitting finer height
> > adjustment.  In light air, it’s also helpful to have a topping lift to
> > support the outboard end of the pole.  This way, the weight of the pole
> > does not prevent the foresail from inflating.  It makes a real difference
> > between being able to sail and motoring in light air.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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> > From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:53 AM
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> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole length
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I hope you all are starting your sailing seasons soon! Up here in MN it’s
> > been a long winter.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me the ideal whisker pole length for a 135% genoa?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> >
> >
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