[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring

[Rick Lange]

The worst experience was 150 yd out from a breakwall protecting the marina
entrance I was headed toward in 20 Kt wind. When my windward upper shroud
chainplate let go, I KISS anchored because I was also out of gas..  I
managed to call for a tow anchored only 25 yd from the rocks.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> OK Rick,
>
> I’ve given the reasons why it’s desirable to anchor using a carabiner and
> the bow eye.  These are based upon sound physics and they will improve the
> anchor holding or shrink the swing radius EVERY SINGLE TIME!  If you want
> to reject it because you might trip and fall overboard, that’s your
> prerogative.  How often do you have to set the anchor in heavy weather?
> Don’t you think these are the very conditions wherein better anchor holding
> is highly desirable?  Good luck
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > The boat hook and carabiner are unnecessary complications.  And
> > complications threaten safety.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rick,
> >>
> >> Assuming you have a boat hook on board, you only need to thread the
> anchor
> >> rode thru the carabiner once.  After that, you use the boat hook to
> handle
> >> the anchor rode.  It’s no worse than any other time you need to be on
> the
> >> bow handling the anchor.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Roger,
> >>>
> >>> The problem with running or tying the anchor rode to the bow eye is
> that
> >>> you can't safely sit in the bow pulpit and do that during heavy
> weather.
> >>> The best thing is to first run the rode through a bow chock, tie the
> rode
> >>> to the bow cleat, then drop the anchor from the bow rail.  You can do
> all
> >>> that sitting securely in the pulpit with your legs hanging over the
> edge
> >> of
> >>> the deck.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rick Lange
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I can't open the attachment, my R-22 has the same single bow
> >>>> cleat you describe on your boat.  There are many factors that affect
> >> how a
> >>>> boat lies to its anchor.  Factors which have a much larger effect on
> the
> >>>> boat than the slight off-center position of the anchor rode include
> wind
> >>>> and current direction and strength, distribution and amount of
> windage (
> >>>> i.e.  Do you have your pop top enclosure &/or boom room up? ), and
> >>>> underwater configuration ( i.e. Do you have the centerboard &/or
> rudder
> >> up
> >>>> or down? ).   There should be a pair of line chocks mounted port and
> >>>> starboard on the toe rails up on the bow.  On my boat, these line
> chocks
> >>>> are mounted on top of the toe rail about halfway in-between the
> >> stanchions
> >>>> on the bow pulpit.  You should run the anchor rode from the cleat thru
> >> one
> >>>> or the other of these line chocks.  Routing the anchor rode thru these
> >> line
> >>>> chocks will not only bring the effective point of attachment closer to
> >> the
> >>>> boat's centerline on the bow, it will also help to eliminate chafing
> on
> >> the
> >>>> anchor rode and the boat.  If your boat doesn't have these bow line
> >> chocks;
> >>>> then you should add them ASAP.  they also help eliminate chafe from
> dock
> >>>> lines.
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing you should also consider doing is routing the anchor rode
> >> thru a
> >>>> locking rock-climbing carabineer.  Then, attach the carabineer to the
> >>>> trailering bow eye and run the anchor rode thru one of the bow line
> >> chocks,
> >>>> and the bow cleat.  Now, the effective anchor rode attachment point is
> >>>> about 2 ft closer to the water.  This does good things for your anchor
> >>>> scope ratio.  An example will serve to illustrate my point:
> >>>>
> >>>> Suppose you want to anchor in 10 ft of water depth.  If you route your
> >>>> anchor rode thru the bow chock, which is about 3 ft above the water,
> you
> >>>> have to add 10 + 3 = 13 ft.  To achieve a 7:1 scope ratio you would
> >> have to
> >>>> let out 13 X 7 = 91 ft of anchor rode.  If you route your anchor rode
> >> thru
> >>>> the bow eye with a carabineer, you will have reduced the attachment
> >> point's
> >>>> height above the water to about 1 ft and 10 + 1 = 11 ft.  Now, to
> >> achieve
> >>>> the same 7:1 scope ratio, you only have to let out 11 X 7 = 77 ft of
> >> anchor
> >>>> rode.  This is a significant reduction in your swing radius.  In a
> >> crowded
> >>>> anchorage, this is a useful trick, with no reduction in safety.  Or,
> you
> >>>> can let out the original 91 ft of anchor rode and achieve 91 / 11 =
> 8.27
> >>>> scope ratio.  With the same 91 ft swing radius, this larger scope
> ratio
> >>>> makes your anchor less likely to drag.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is SOP anchoring technique aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >>>> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:37 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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> >>>> Hoping to get some suggestions for anchoring. My boat just has a
> single
> >>>> cleat centered on the bow and I’m trying to figure out the best way to
> >> run
> >>>> the anchor line. Should I go between the two center pulpit stanchions?
> >> If I
> >>>> do that it would be rubbing against the forestay which doesn’t seem
> >> good.
> >>>> Should I run it around the second set of pulpit stanchions? That puts
> >> the
> >>>> pull to the side which would make the boat go from side to side. I’ve
> >> read
> >>>> where other people have added all kinds of anchor rollers, chocks etc.
> >> but
> >>>> I am not interested in doing that. Thanks! I’ve included an image of
> the
> >>>> bow.
> >>>>
> >>
>