[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring

Thu Oct 26 17:44:13 EDT 2023

Rick,

Just because you use a carabiner and the bow trailer eye for routine anchoring doesn’t preclude going directly to the bow chock and cleat in an emergency.  For every emergency situation I can cite you 50 routine situations wherein a smaller swing radius or better anchor holding helps us get a better night’s sleep.  I offer my anchoring technique for those of us that are confident in our ability to use a boat hook and don’t have a panic attack when they go to the bow.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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> On Oct 26, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The worst experience was 150 yd out from a breakwall protecting the marina
> entrance I was headed toward in 20 Kt wind. When my windward upper shroud
> chainplate let go, I KISS anchored because I was also out of gas..  I
> managed to call for a tow anchored only 25 yd from the rocks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK Rick,
>>
>> I’ve given the reasons why it’s desirable to anchor using a carabiner and
>> the bow eye.  These are based upon sound physics and they will improve the
>> anchor holding or shrink the swing radius EVERY SINGLE TIME!  If you want
>> to reject it because you might trip and fall overboard, that’s your
>> prerogative.  How often do you have to set the anchor in heavy weather?
>> Don’t you think these are the very conditions wherein better anchor holding
>> is highly desirable?  Good luck
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> The boat hook and carabiner are unnecessary complications.  And
>>> complications threaten safety.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Lange
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> Assuming you have a boat hook on board, you only need to thread the
>> anchor
>>>> rode thru the carabiner once.  After that, you use the boat hook to
>> handle
>>>> the anchor rode.  It’s no worse than any other time you need to be on
>> the
>>>> bow handling the anchor.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with running or tying the anchor rode to the bow eye is
>> that
>>>>> you can't safely sit in the bow pulpit and do that during heavy
>> weather.
>>>>> The best thing is to first run the rode through a bow chock, tie the
>> rode
>>>>> to the bow cleat, then drop the anchor from the bow rail.  You can do
>> all
>>>>> that sitting securely in the pulpit with your legs hanging over the
>> edge
>>>> of
>>>>> the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although I can't open the attachment, my R-22 has the same single bow
>>>>>> cleat you describe on your boat.  There are many factors that affect
>>>> how a
>>>>>> boat lies to its anchor.  Factors which have a much larger effect on
>> the
>>>>>> boat than the slight off-center position of the anchor rode include
>> wind
>>>>>> and current direction and strength, distribution and amount of
>> windage (
>>>>>> i.e.  Do you have your pop top enclosure &/or boom room up? ), and
>>>>>> underwater configuration ( i.e. Do you have the centerboard &/or
>> rudder
>>>> up
>>>>>> or down? ).   There should be a pair of line chocks mounted port and
>>>>>> starboard on the toe rails up on the bow.  On my boat, these line
>> chocks
>>>>>> are mounted on top of the toe rail about halfway in-between the
>>>> stanchions
>>>>>> on the bow pulpit.  You should run the anchor rode from the cleat thru
>>>> one
>>>>>> or the other of these line chocks.  Routing the anchor rode thru these
>>>> line
>>>>>> chocks will not only bring the effective point of attachment closer to
>>>> the
>>>>>> boat's centerline on the bow, it will also help to eliminate chafing
>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>> anchor rode and the boat.  If your boat doesn't have these bow line
>>>> chocks;
>>>>>> then you should add them ASAP.  they also help eliminate chafe from
>> dock
>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing you should also consider doing is routing the anchor rode
>>>> thru a
>>>>>> locking rock-climbing carabineer.  Then, attach the carabineer to the
>>>>>> trailering bow eye and run the anchor rode thru one of the bow line
>>>> chocks,
>>>>>> and the bow cleat.  Now, the effective anchor rode attachment point is
>>>>>> about 2 ft closer to the water.  This does good things for your anchor
>>>>>> scope ratio.  An example will serve to illustrate my point:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suppose you want to anchor in 10 ft of water depth.  If you route your
>>>>>> anchor rode thru the bow chock, which is about 3 ft above the water,
>> you
>>>>>> have to add 10 + 3 = 13 ft.  To achieve a 7:1 scope ratio you would
>>>> have to
>>>>>> let out 13 X 7 = 91 ft of anchor rode.  If you route your anchor rode
>>>> thru
>>>>>> the bow eye with a carabineer, you will have reduced the attachment
>>>> point's
>>>>>> height above the water to about 1 ft and 10 + 1 = 11 ft.  Now, to
>>>> achieve
>>>>>> the same 7:1 scope ratio, you only have to let out 11 X 7 = 77 ft of
>>>> anchor
>>>>>> rode.  This is a significant reduction in your swing radius.  In a
>>>> crowded
>>>>>> anchorage, this is a useful trick, with no reduction in safety.  Or,
>> you
>>>>>> can let out the original 91 ft of anchor rode and achieve 91 / 11 =
>> 8.27
>>>>>> scope ratio.  With the same 91 ft swing radius, this larger scope
>> ratio
>>>>>> makes your anchor less likely to drag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is SOP anchoring technique aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>>>> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:37 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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>>>>>> Hoping to get some suggestions for anchoring. My boat just has a
>> single
>>>>>> cleat centered on the bow and I’m trying to figure out the best way to
>>>> run
>>>>>> the anchor line. Should I go between the two center pulpit stanchions?
>>>> If I
>>>>>> do that it would be rubbing against the forestay which doesn’t seem
>>>> good.
>>>>>> Should I run it around the second set of pulpit stanchions? That puts
>>>> the
>>>>>> pull to the side which would make the boat go from side to side. I’ve
>>>> read
>>>>>> where other people have added all kinds of anchor rollers, chocks etc.
>>>> but
>>>>>> I am not interested in doing that. Thanks! I’ve included an image of
>> the
>>>>>> bow.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>