[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring

[Mitch Mitchell]

Wow! Sounds dicey!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 5:25 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> The worst experience was 150 yd out from a breakwall protecting the marina
> entrance I was headed toward in 20 Kt wind. When my windward upper shroud
> chainplate let go, I KISS anchored because I was also out of gas..  I
> managed to call for a tow anchored only 25 yd from the rocks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > OK Rick,
> >
> > I’ve given the reasons why it’s desirable to anchor using a carabiner and
> > the bow eye.  These are based upon sound physics and they will improve
> the
> > anchor holding or shrink the swing radius EVERY SINGLE TIME!  If you want
> > to reject it because you might trip and fall overboard, that’s your
> > prerogative.  How often do you have to set the anchor in heavy weather?
> > Don’t you think these are the very conditions wherein better anchor
> holding
> > is highly desirable?  Good luck
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > The boat hook and carabiner are unnecessary complications.  And
> > > complications threaten safety.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Rick,
> > >>
> > >> Assuming you have a boat hook on board, you only need to thread the
> > anchor
> > >> rode thru the carabiner once.  After that, you use the boat hook to
> > handle
> > >> the anchor rode.  It’s no worse than any other time you need to be on
> > the
> > >> bow handling the anchor.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Roger,
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem with running or tying the anchor rode to the bow eye is
> > that
> > >>> you can't safely sit in the bow pulpit and do that during heavy
> > weather.
> > >>> The best thing is to first run the rode through a bow chock, tie the
> > rode
> > >>> to the bow cleat, then drop the anchor from the bow rail.  You can do
> > all
> > >>> that sitting securely in the pulpit with your legs hanging over the
> > edge
> > >> of
> > >>> the deck.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rick Lange
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Although I can't open the attachment, my R-22 has the same single
> bow
> > >>>> cleat you describe on your boat.  There are many factors that affect
> > >> how a
> > >>>> boat lies to its anchor.  Factors which have a much larger effect on
> > the
> > >>>> boat than the slight off-center position of the anchor rode include
> > wind
> > >>>> and current direction and strength, distribution and amount of
> > windage (
> > >>>> i.e.  Do you have your pop top enclosure &/or boom room up? ), and
> > >>>> underwater configuration ( i.e. Do you have the centerboard &/or
> > rudder
> > >> up
> > >>>> or down? ).   There should be a pair of line chocks mounted port and
> > >>>> starboard on the toe rails up on the bow.  On my boat, these line
> > chocks
> > >>>> are mounted on top of the toe rail about halfway in-between the
> > >> stanchions
> > >>>> on the bow pulpit.  You should run the anchor rode from the cleat
> thru
> > >> one
> > >>>> or the other of these line chocks.  Routing the anchor rode thru
> these
> > >> line
> > >>>> chocks will not only bring the effective point of attachment closer
> to
> > >> the
> > >>>> boat's centerline on the bow, it will also help to eliminate chafing
> > on
> > >> the
> > >>>> anchor rode and the boat.  If your boat doesn't have these bow line
> > >> chocks;
> > >>>> then you should add them ASAP.  they also help eliminate chafe from
> > dock
> > >>>> lines.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One thing you should also consider doing is routing the anchor rode
> > >> thru a
> > >>>> locking rock-climbing carabineer.  Then, attach the carabineer to
> the
> > >>>> trailering bow eye and run the anchor rode thru one of the bow line
> > >> chocks,
> > >>>> and the bow cleat.  Now, the effective anchor rode attachment point
> is
> > >>>> about 2 ft closer to the water.  This does good things for your
> anchor
> > >>>> scope ratio.  An example will serve to illustrate my point:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Suppose you want to anchor in 10 ft of water depth.  If you route
> your
> > >>>> anchor rode thru the bow chock, which is about 3 ft above the water,
> > you
> > >>>> have to add 10 + 3 = 13 ft.  To achieve a 7:1 scope ratio you would
> > >> have to
> > >>>> let out 13 X 7 = 91 ft of anchor rode.  If you route your anchor
> rode
> > >> thru
> > >>>> the bow eye with a carabineer, you will have reduced the attachment
> > >> point's
> > >>>> height above the water to about 1 ft and 10 + 1 = 11 ft.  Now, to
> > >> achieve
> > >>>> the same 7:1 scope ratio, you only have to let out 11 X 7 = 77 ft of
> > >> anchor
> > >>>> rode.  This is a significant reduction in your swing radius.  In a
> > >> crowded
> > >>>> anchorage, this is a useful trick, with no reduction in safety.  Or,
> > you
> > >>>> can let out the original 91 ft of anchor rode and achieve 91 / 11 =
> > 8.27
> > >>>> scope ratio.  With the same 91 ft swing radius, this larger scope
> > ratio
> > >>>> makes your anchor less likely to drag.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This is SOP anchoring technique aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ________________________________
> > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > >>>> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:37 AM
> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> Hoping to get some suggestions for anchoring. My boat just has a
> > single
> > >>>> cleat centered on the bow and I’m trying to figure out the best way
> to
> > >> run
> > >>>> the anchor line. Should I go between the two center pulpit
> stanchions?
> > >> If I
> > >>>> do that it would be rubbing against the forestay which doesn’t seem
> > >> good.
> > >>>> Should I run it around the second set of pulpit stanchions? That
> puts
> > >> the
> > >>>> pull to the side which would make the boat go from side to side.
> I’ve
> > >> read
> > >>>> where other people have added all kinds of anchor rollers, chocks
> etc.
> > >> but
> > >>>> I am not interested in doing that. Thanks! I’ve included an image of
> > the
> > >>>> bow.
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
>