[Rhodes22-list] head ventilation (Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4576), Issue 1
Michael D. Weisner
Mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sat Aug 3 15:36:43 EDT 2024
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Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
On Sat, August 3, 2024 1:51 pm, peter klappert wrote:
> I sent this at the end of July but haven’t seen it. In case I screwed up
> when sending (I frequently screw up things digital), here it is again .
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 4:25 PM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was the first—possibly the only—Rhodie who substituted an Airhead
>> composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept
>> on
>> a lift at my dock: I didn’t want to have to find a pump out station.)
>> It
>> has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much
>> head ventilation.
>> But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries)
>> in
>> the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of
>> air
>> through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and
>> head pushed open (ie to port) it keeps the head well-ventilated and
>>
> indeed, it ventilates the whole cabin).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
>>
>> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> wrote:
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
>>> 2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>>> 3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay)
>>> 4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
>>> 5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR)
>>> 6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike)
>>> 7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy)
>>> 8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay)
>>> 9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares)
>>> 10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart)
>>> 11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>>> 12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400
>>> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
>>> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
>>> rebuilt the
>>> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
>>> bilge
>>> > pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner
>>> <Mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike
>>> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
>>> want
>>> >> to
>>> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
>>> stuff
>>> >> I'm
>>> >>> really jealous of!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
>>> they're
>>> all
>>> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
>>> hatch
>>> >>> over
>>> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
>>> that
>>> >> are
>>> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
>>> worried
>>> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
>>> be
>>> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
>>> >> better
>>> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
>>> you
>>> some
>>> >>> headroom! Thanks!
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000
>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would
>>> like
>>> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
>>> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together
>>> represent a
>>> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
>>> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
>>> cut
>>> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce
>>> the
>>> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
>>> any
>>> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this
>>> issue
>>> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I
>>> advise
>>> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
>>> if
>>> you weaken it too much.
>>>
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
>>> rebuilt the
>>> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
>>> bilge
>>> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike
>>> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that
>>> I
>>> want
>>> >>> to
>>> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
>>> stuff
>>> >>> I'm
>>> >>>> really jealous of!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
>>> they're
>>> all
>>> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
>>> hatch
>>> >>>> over
>>> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
>>> that
>>> >>> are
>>> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
>>> worried
>>> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
>>> be
>>> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would
>>> be
>>> >>> better
>>> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
>>> you
>>> some
>>> >>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400
>>> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
>>> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block
>>> on the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam
>>> cleat
>>> at the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael McKay
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?Mike,
>>> >
>>> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
>>> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
>>> masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached
>>> it
>>> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to
>>> adjust
>>> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This
>>> is at
>>> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter
>>> with
>>> less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
>>> effort to rebuild the factory setup.
>>> >
>>> > Roger Pihlaja
>>> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> > 1978. Sanford, MI
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?Hello everyone!
>>> >>
>>> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
>>> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of
>>> that
>>> time.
>>> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last,
>>> two-year
>>> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler,
>>> and
>>> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
>>> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
>>> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't
>>> make
>>> any sense.
>>> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's
>>> just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat
>>> because it
>>> was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
>>> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes.
>>> It's
>>> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
>>> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
>>> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
>>> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the
>>> IMF
>>> rotating shaft.
>>> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can
>>> visualize
>>> it.
>>> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
>>> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines
>>> on
>>> the bottom of the boom.
>>> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can
>>> still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is
>>> routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure
>>> things
>>> out.
>>> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would
>>> make
>>> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
>>> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike Blagg
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400
>>> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
>>> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
>>> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
>>> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
>>> Scott A.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would
>>> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
>>> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together
>>> represent a
>>> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
>>> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
>>> cut
>>> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce
>>> the
>>> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
>>> any
>>> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this
>>> issue
>>> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I
>>> advise
>>> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
>>> if
>>> you weaken it too much.
>>> >
>>> > Roger Pihlaja
>>> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> > 1978. Sanford, MI
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>>> >> -------------- next part --------------
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
>>> rebuilt the
>>> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
>>> bilge
>>> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mike
>>> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that
>>> I
>>> want
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
>>> stuff
>>> >>>> I'm
>>> >>>>> really jealous of!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
>>> they're all
>>> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
>>> hatch
>>> >>>>> over
>>> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
>>> that
>>> >>>> are
>>> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
>>> worried
>>> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
>>> be
>>> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would
>>> be
>>> >>>> better
>>> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
>>> you some
>>> >>>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400
>>> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> CAJGJx+BF3gK+n0Q1_dWqC21aAq4RY+pCt+aZ1DHXGor6YFvrvA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
>>> anywhere
>>> near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just
>>> runs
>>> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
>>> cabin
>>> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Mike,
>>> >
>>> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
>>> On
>>> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
>>> > masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and
>>> attached
>>> it
>>> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to
>>> adjust
>>> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This
>>> is at
>>> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter
>>> with
>>> > less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble
>>> and
>>> > effort to rebuild the factory setup.
>>> >
>>> > Roger Pihlaja
>>> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> > 1978. Sanford, MI
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
>>> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > ?Hello everyone!
>>> > >
>>> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
>>> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of
>>> that
>>> > time.
>>> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last,
>>> two-year
>>> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler,
>>> and
>>> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
>>> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the
>>> boom
>>> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't
>>> make
>>> > any sense.
>>> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's
>>> just
>>> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because
>>> it
>>> was
>>> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
>>> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes.
>>> It's
>>> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
>>> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at
>>> the
>>> top
>>> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
>>> manual.
>>> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
>>> rotating
>>> > shaft.
>>> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can
>>> visualize
>>> > it.
>>> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and
>>> it's
>>> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black
>>> lines
>>> on
>>> > the bottom of the boom.
>>> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can
>>> still
>>> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is
>>> routed
>>> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things
>>> out.
>>> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would
>>> make
>>> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight.
>>> "Seems..."
>>> > > Any help would be much appreciated.
>>> > >
>>> > > Mike Blagg
>>> > > -------------- next part --------------
>>> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>> > > Name: sail rigging.jpg
>>> > > Type: image/jpeg
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>>> > > URL: <
>>> >
>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
>>> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it,
>>> the more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line
>>> on
>>> the boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the
>>> furler
>>> in the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
>>>
>>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
>>> anywhere
>>> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just
>>> runs
>>> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
>>> cabin
>>> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400
>>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
>>> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of
>>> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours
>>> it
>>> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought
>>> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead
>>> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head
>>> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what
>>> we had done.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998)
>>> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>
>>> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
>>> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
>>> > Scott A.
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?Hi All,
>>> >>
>>> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would
>>> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
>>> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together
>>> represent a
>>> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
>>> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
>>> cut
>>> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce
>>> the
>>> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
>>> any
>>> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this
>>> issue
>>> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I
>>> advise
>>> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
>>> if
>>> you weaken it too much.
>>> >>
>>> >> Roger Pihlaja
>>> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
>>> >>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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>>> >>> Size: 110591 bytes
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>>> >
>>> >>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
>>> rebuilt the
>>> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have
>>> multiple
>>> bilge
>>> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Mike
>>> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods
>>> that
>>> I want
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
>>> stuff
>>> >>>>> I'm
>>> >>>>>> really jealous of!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
>>> they're all
>>> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
>>> hatch
>>> >>>>>> over
>>> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find
>>> hatches
>>> that
>>> >>>>> are
>>> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
>>> worried
>>> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they
>>> can
>>> be
>>> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would
>>> be
>>> >>>>> better
>>> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
>>> you some
>>> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400
>>> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my
>>> inbox.
>>> Pure Stan!
>>>
>>> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
>>> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
>>> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>>
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>>> of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
>>>
>>> Jul 29
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>>> *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General
>>> Boats
>>> <
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>>> >,
>>> in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North
>>> Carolina.
>>> General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
>>> known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage
>>> the
>>> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
>>> <
>>> https://substack.com/redirect/990e10b3-29d0-430d-948b-222a780777c4?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20
>>> >
>>>
>>> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
>>>
>>> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I
>>> started
>>> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
>>> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had
>>> been
>>> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into
>>> a
>>> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He
>>> told
>>> me
>>> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why
>>> don?t
>>> we
>>> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
>>> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
>>> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a
>>> Corsaire
>>> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did
>>> not
>>> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
>>> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
>>> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
>>> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine
>>> came
>>> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very
>>> few
>>> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners
>>> had a
>>> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me
>>> and
>>> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
>>> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into
>>> one
>>> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown
>>> out
>>> as
>>> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all
>>> their
>>> investment.
>>>
>>> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
>>>
>>> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
>>> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
>>> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day
>>> jobs
>>> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat
>>> O?Day
>>> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so
>>> our
>>> timing was good.
>>>
>>> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
>>>
>>> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best
>>> name
>>> I
>>> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics
>>> so
>>> I
>>> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had
>>> it,
>>> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
>>> <
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>>> >
>>>
>>> *What was your first boat?*
>>>
>>> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did
>>> not
>>> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him
>>> to
>>> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for
>>> practically
>>> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
>>> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
>>> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
>>> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it
>>> as
>>> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people
>>> who
>>> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts
>>> with
>>> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those
>>> things; a
>>> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming
>>> too
>>> much.
>>>
>>> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
>>>
>>> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart
>>> enough
>>> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else
>>> do
>>> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas.
>>> They
>>> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
>>> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for
>>> me.
>>> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building
>>> the
>>> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
>>> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and
>>> a
>>> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same
>>> thing
>>> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good
>>> boat.
>>> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
>>> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I
>>> went
>>> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited,
>>> and
>>> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built
>>> them
>>> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
>>> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that
>>> company
>>> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one
>>> thing
>>> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in
>>> this
>>> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it.
>>> Nils
>>> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point
>>> customers
>>> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
>>> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind
>>> me.
>>>
>>> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
>>>
>>> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business,
>>> but
>>> we
>>> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me
>>> he
>>> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was
>>> building
>>> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually
>>> produced
>>> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the
>>> years.
>>> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
>>>
>>> *What came after the Picnic 17?*
>>>
>>> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t
>>> charge
>>> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
>>> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
>>> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says
>>> no
>>> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New
>>> York
>>> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and
>>> knocked
>>> on
>>> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it
>>> was
>>> a
>>> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What
>>> do
>>> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed
>>> him
>>> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers
>>> saying
>>> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But
>>> there
>>> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
>>> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
>>> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
>>> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I
>>> learned
>>> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else
>>> and
>>> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes
>>> and
>>> corrections.
>>>
>>> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design
>>> your
>>> boat?*
>>>
>>> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say
>>> it
>>> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could
>>> say
>>> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said
>>> I?d
>>> rather own it outright and he said fine.
>>>
>>> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
>>> Phillip?s?*
>>>
>>> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat,
>>> the
>>> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull.
>>> And
>>> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
>>> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
>>> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on
>>> the
>>> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the
>>> boat
>>> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull.
>>> In
>>> a
>>> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a
>>> wave
>>> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at
>>> it
>>> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
>>> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
>>> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave
>>> to
>>> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he
>>> didn?t
>>> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
>>> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could
>>> go
>>> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on
>>> him.
>>> By the time he finished he said he liked it.
>>>
>>> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
>>>
>>> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a
>>> very
>>> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
>>> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
>>>
>>> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
>>> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a
>>> motorboat
>>> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I
>>> just
>>> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around
>>> it.
>>> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With
>>> all
>>> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in
>>> those
>>> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
>>> worked. I started taking orders.
>>>
>>> *What year was that?*
>>>
>>> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in
>>> 1970.
>>>
>>> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
>>>
>>> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there
>>> was
>>> a
>>> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down
>>> and
>>> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
>>> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I
>>> want
>>> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
>>> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it,
>>> but
>>> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would
>>> take
>>> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said
>>> you?ll
>>> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the
>>> boat
>>> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our
>>> sales
>>> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with
>>> the
>>> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
>>> <
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>>> >
>>>
>>> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
>>>
>>> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track
>>> of a
>>> few, but at least 2,500.
>>>
>>> *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
>>>
>>> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to
>>> make
>>> up
>>> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
>>> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than
>>> a
>>> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out
>>> in
>>> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought
>>> it
>>> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a
>>> double-edged
>>> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
>>> business.
>>>
>>> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It
>>> would
>>> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
>>>
>>> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
>>>
>>> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single
>>> show.
>>>
>>> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
>>>
>>> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show
>>> to
>>> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and
>>> hope
>>> to make 50. *?SCA?*
>>>
>>> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
>>> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22.
>>> Stan
>>> is
>>> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton,
>>> North
>>> Carolina. *
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:05:34 -0400
>>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> To: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> CAB-twMOXo8A2NnK5tEJ7EuTAc5BeGgmx2O0hfad_cBx8B_0oMQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Perhaps the previous owner tucked the loose end into the goose neck
>>> fitting, so it was not flapping loose during transport?
>>>
>>> Todd T.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about
>>> it,
>>> the
>>> > more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line
>>> on
>>> the
>>> > boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the
>>> furler
>>> in
>>> > the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Mike,
>>> > I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
>>> anywhere
>>> > near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just
>>> runs
>>> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
>>> cabin
>>> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
>>> > Patrick
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000
>>> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> SA1P222MB11407E7E6406E1B6B860EAE2F5B02 at SA1P222MB1140.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
>>> >
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
>>> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have
>>> attached
>>> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
>>> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a
>>> section of
>>> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to
>>> create a
>>> large hole.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Rhodes 22
>>> Agile, 1976
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>>>
>>> Hi Rhodies,
>>>
>>> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>>>
>>> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
>>> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
>>> inside.
>>>
>>> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Mike McKay
>>> S/V Liber 2006/2108
>>> Allatoona Lake, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael McKay
>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000
>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
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>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987
>>> were the four lower chainplates. There is no way to inspect the
>>> factory
>>> OEM lower chainplates. Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate
>>> into
>>> the plywood core, causing it to rot. This is easily fixed by
>>> installing 4
>>> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W,
>>> Defender
>>> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner. With
>>> these
>>> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates
>>> thru
>>> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish. I do
>>> not
>>> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded
>>> component,
>>> especially not when the fix is so easy. Just bite the bullet and do
>>> this
>>> upgrade. You'll never have to worry about it again.
>>>
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 1978 Sanford, MI
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>>>
>>> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
>>> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have
>>> attached
>>> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
>>> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a
>>> section of
>>> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to
>>> create a
>>> large hole.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Rhodes 22
>>> Agile, 1976
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>>>
>>> Hi Rhodies,
>>>
>>> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>>>
>>> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
>>> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
>>> inside.
>>>
>>> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Mike McKay
>>> S/V Liber 2006/2108
>>> Allatoona Lake, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael McKay
>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400
>>> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
>>> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Thanks for this ? a joy to read again. Vintage Stan ? you can just
>>> hear
>>> him speaking.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my
>>> inbox.
>>> > Pure Stan!
>>> >
>>> > Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> > From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
>>> > Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
>>> > Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
>>> > To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
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