[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Fri Feb 2 09:29:49 EST 2024

Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"

Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> without the plank in place.
>
> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>
> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976
>
> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
> looking for there.
> > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> bunks, not on the keel.
> > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> suspect
> > they won't believe it
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don
> >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>  From Practical Sailor
> >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> >> at
> >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> to
> >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> that
> >> the
> >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich
> <
> >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> >> able
> >>>> to
> >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> >> hang
> >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> >>> sure,
> >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> >>> water
> >>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >> the
> >>>>> bilge.
> >>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>> sounded
> >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> >>> after
> >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >> bilge,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >> come
> >>>> from
> >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> >>>> greater
> >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>> salinity
> >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf
> >> Of
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> >>> last
> >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >> more
> >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>> I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>> I’m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >> much
> >>> -
> >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> >> on
> >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>> When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>> above
> >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >> of
> >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >> too
> >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >> so
> >>> it
> >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >> before
> >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >> sound
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >> before I
> >>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> >>> the
> >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>> attack.
> >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >> 22.
> >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >> when
> >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>> about
> >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> >>> part
> >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >> top
> >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >> leak.
> >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>> trunk).
> >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> --
> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>