[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Fri Feb 2 15:32:40 EST 2024

20”.

Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
> > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> > without the plank in place.
> >
> > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
> > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >
> > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> > Agile 1976
> >
> > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > >   I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> > information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> > discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you are
> > looking for there.
> > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> > bunks, not on the keel.
> > > Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> > >      On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> > suspect
> > > they won't believe it
> > > --Reuben
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> Stan.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich<
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Don
> > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> > >>>  From Practical Sailor
> > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> serving
> > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> prevents
> > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> be
> > >> at
> > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
> > to
> > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> > >>>
> > >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>    Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> > that
> > >> the
> > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >>>>      On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> Mezrich
> > <
> > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> now
> > >> able
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> > >> hang
> > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > >>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <
> > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>> Great point but....
> > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > >>> sure,
> > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > >>> water
> > >>>>> in the bilge
> > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> bilge.
> > >>>>> Its a puzzle
> > >>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > >>>> sounded
> > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > >>> after
> > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> > >> bilge,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> > >> come
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> was
> > >>>> greater
> > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > >>>> salinity
> > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> races
> > >>> last
> > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >>>>>> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> > >> more
> > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >>>>>>> I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >>>>>>> I’m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> > >> much
> > >>> -
> > >>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> > >> on
> > >>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> > >>> above
> > >>>>>> the pivot pin.
> > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> > >> too
> > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> > >> so
> > >>> it
> > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> > >> before
> > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> > >> sound
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> > >> before I
> > >>>>>> realized what happened.
> > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > >>> attack.
> > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> > >> when
> > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Reuben,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > >>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> > >> on
> > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > >>> part
> > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> boat
> > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> > >> I'm
> > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> > >> top
> > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> > >> leak.
> > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> > >> unlikely
> > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > >>> trunk).
> > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > --
> > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
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