[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
Ric Stott
ric at stottarchitecture.com
Fri Feb 2 17:28:39 EST 2024
HI Graham
It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25” Extra Long Shaft.
That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
Ric
SV Dadventure
4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
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> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 20”.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the
>> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry)
>> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of
>> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
>> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give
>> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
>> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
>>
>> Reuben Mezrich
>> cell: 410-499-8922
>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a
>>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
>>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
>>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
>>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
>>> without the plank in place.
>>>
>>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
>>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
>>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
>>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
>>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
>>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin
>>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
>>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
>>>
>>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>>
>>> Agile 1976
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
>>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous
>>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you are
>>> looking for there.
>>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
>>> bunks, not on the keel.
>>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
>>> suspect
>>>> they won't believe it
>>>> --Reuben
>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
>>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
>> Stan.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich<
>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
>>>>>> From Practical Sailor
>>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
>> serving
>>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
>> prevents
>>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
>> be
>>>>> at
>>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat
>>> to
>>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
>>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
>> Mezrich
>>> <
>>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
>> now
>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
>>>>> hang
>>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <
>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>> Great point but....
>>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>> in the bilge
>>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bilge.
>>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bilge.
>>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
>>>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
>>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
>>>>>>> sounded
>>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
>>>>> bilge,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
>>>>> come
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
>> was
>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
>>>>>>> salinity
>>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>>> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
>> races
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
>>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
>>>>>>>>> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
>>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that
>>>>> much
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
>>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right
>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
>>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
>>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
>>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
>>>>> so
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
>>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position
>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
>>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
>>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
>>>>> before I
>>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
>>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
>>>>>> attack.
>>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
>>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
>>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
>>>>> 22.
>>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
>>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
>> boat
>>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
>>>>> leak.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
>>>>> unlikely
>>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
>>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
>>>>>> trunk).
>>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
>>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>>
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