[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Sat Feb 3 06:12:25 EST 2024

I'm looking at a Tohatsu 8hp electric start....weighs about 85 lbs so its
not so bad, but only comes in 20" shaft
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> HI Graham
> It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in.
> If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25” Extra
> Long Shaft.
> That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the
> prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly.
> Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 20”.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under
> the
> >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer
> (Mastry)
> >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost
> of
> >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu
> >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to
> give
> >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard.
> >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20"
> >>
> >> Reuben Mezrich
> >> cell: 410-499-8922
> >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added
> a
> >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as
> >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a
> >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the
> >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel
> >>> without the plank in place.
> >>>
> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so
> >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of
> >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material
> >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth
> >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit.
> >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the
> cabin
> >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through
> >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Graham Stewart
> >>>
> >>> Agile 1976
> >>>
> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>>>  I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the
> >>> information you are interested in.  I believe there has been a previous
> >>> discussion of this topic on the list.  Perhaps you can find what you
> are
> >>> looking for there.
> >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the
> >>> bunks, not on the keel.
> >>>> Don Simons,    Old Forge, NY
> >>>>     On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich<
> >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I
> >>> suspect
> >>>> they won't believe it
> >>>> --Reuben
> >>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from
> >> Stan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich<
> >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don
> >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and
> >>>>>> From Practical Sailor
> >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands
> >> serving
> >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel
> >> prevents
> >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should
> >> be
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the
> boat
> >>> to
> >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >>>>>>>     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben
> >> Mezrich
> >>> <
> >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm
> >> now
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft
> portion
> >>>>> hang
> >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> >>>>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <
> >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>> Great point but....
> >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm
> not
> >>>>>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of
> the
> >>>>>> water
> >>>>>>>> in the bilge
> >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bilge.
> >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle
> >>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> >>>>>>> sounded
> >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt
> left
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> >>>>> bilge,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> >>>>> come
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity
> >> was
> >>>>>>> greater
> >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> >>>>>>> salinity
> >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On
> >> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>>>> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some
> >> races
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we
> had
> >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> >>>>>>>>> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is
> put
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap.
> >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> >>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin.
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> >>>>> sound
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> >>>>> before I
> >>>>>>>>> realized what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain
> from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> >>>>>> attack.
> >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed.
> >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it.
> >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> >>>>> 22.
> >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> >>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
> >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT
> >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large
> (~2ft,
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat
> lies
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide,
> in
> >>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my
> >> boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> >>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> >>>>> leak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> >>>>> unlikely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak
> (thru
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> >>>>>> trunk).
> >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >>>
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