[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Sun Jan 28 06:51:43 EST 2024

On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Don
> I was taught just the opposite...and
> From Practical Sailor
> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be at
> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> cell: 410-499-8922
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >  Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that the
> > weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> >     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now able
> > to
> > see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion hang
> > down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > [image: image.png]
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mike
> > > Great point but....
> > > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> sure,
> > > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> water
> > > in the bilge
> > > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in the
> > > bilge.
> > > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in the
> > > bilge.
> > > Its a puzzle
> > > --Reuben
> > >
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Reuben,
> > >>
> > >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > sounded
> > >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > >>
> > >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> after
> > >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the bilge,
> > the
> > >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have come
> > from
> > >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> > greater
> > >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > salinity
> > >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > >>
> > >> Ric
> > >> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> last
> > >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > >> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk more
> > >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > >> Cell:410-499-8922
> > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > >> > I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > >> > I’m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that much
> -
> > >> and then not leak at all.
> > >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put on
> > >> the centerboard cap.
> > >> > When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> above
> > >> the pivot pin.
> > >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall of
> > >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially too
> > >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line so
> it
> > >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > >> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position before
> > >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching sound
> > as
> > >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out before I
> > >> realized what happened.
> > >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> the
> > >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> attack.
> > >> >
> > >> > The photos explains what happed.
> > >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes 22.
> > >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful when
> > >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >> > O -631-283-1777
> > >> > C- 516-965-3164
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reuben,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Peter Nyberg
> > >> >> Coventry, CT
> > >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, to
> > >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> about
> > >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies on
> > >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> part
> > >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> > >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and I'm
> > >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the top
> > >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a leak.
> > >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is unlikely
> > >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> trunk).
> > >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > >> >>> --Reuben
> > >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
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