[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Sun Jan 28 09:37:58 EST 2024

Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I suspect
they won't believe it
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong
> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don
> > I was taught just the opposite...and
> > From Practical Sailor
> > "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving
> > only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents
> > shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be
> at
> > least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat to
> > rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019"
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > cell: 410-499-8922
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  Reuben,  Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand that
> the
> > > weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands.
> > > Don SimonsOld Forge, NY
> > >     On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich <
> > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now
> able
> > > to
> > > see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion
> hang
> > > down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal
> > > [image: image.png]
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Great point but....
> > > > The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not
> > sure,
> > > > given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the
> > water
> > > > in the bilge
> > > > I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in
> the
> > > > bilge.
> > > > Its a puzzle
> > > > --Reuben
> > > >
> > > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > > cell: 410-499-8922
> > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner <
> > mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Reuben,
> > > >>
> > > >> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter
> > > sounded
> > > >> great until I thought about it a bit more.
> > > >>
> > > >> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left
> > after
> > > >> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the
> bilge,
> > > the
> > > >> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have
> come
> > > from
> > > >> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was
> > > greater
> > > >> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The
> > > salinity
> > > >> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > >> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM
> > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin
> > > >>
> > > >> Ric
> > > >> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races
> > last
> > > >> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had
> > > >> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in.
> > > >> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk
> more
> > > >> carefully Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> Cell:410-499-8922
> > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott <
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > FRUSTRATING, RIGHT?
> > > >> > I’m thinking rain water or sabotage.
> > > >> > I’m having trouble with the idea that the  cap could leak that
> much
> > -
> > > >> and then not leak at all.
> > > >> > Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put
> on
> > > >> the centerboard cap.
> > > >> > When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had  a crack in the cap right
> > above
> > > >> the pivot pin.
> > > >> > Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside.
> > > >> > It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day.
> > > >> > I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall
> of
> > > >> > 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially
> too
> > > >> far back so I relaunched to move it forward.
> > > >> > I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line
> so
> > it
> > > >> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer.
> > > >> > Always check to be sure you CB  is locked in the up position
> before
> > > >> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine.
> > > >> > As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching
> sound
> > > as
> > > >> the boat first lifted then dropped again.
> > > >> > I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out
> before I
> > > >> realized what happened.
> > > >> > Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from
> > the
> > > >> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart
> > attack.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The photos explains what happed.
> > > >> > It took me all winter to fix it.
> > > >> > The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes
> 22.
> > > >> > Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful
> when
> > > >> launching and when backing up in shallow water.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >> > O -631-283-1777
> > > >> > C- 516-965-3164
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Reuben,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Peter Nyberg
> > > >> >> Coventry, CT
> > > >> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft,
> to
> > > >> >>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering
> > about
> > > >> >>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies
> on
> > > >> >>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in
> > part
> > > >> >>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat
> > > >> >>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and
> I'm
> > > >> >>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the
> top
> > > >> >>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a
> leak.
> > > >> >>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is
> unlikely
> > > >> >>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru
> > > >> >>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard
> > trunk).
> > > >> ...so I"m grasping at straws.
> > > >> >>> --Reuben
> > > >> >>> Reuben Mezrich
> > > >> >>> cell: 410-499-8922
> > > >> >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
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