[Rhodes22-list] head ventilation (Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4576), Issue 1
peter klappert
koatimundi100 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 30 16:25:05 EDT 2024
I was the first—possibly the only—Rhodie who substituted an Airhead
composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept on
a lift at my dock: I didn’t want to have to find a pump out station.) It
has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much
head ventilation.
But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries) in
the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of air
through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and
head pushed open, it keeps the head well-ventilated (indeed, it ventilates
the whole cabin).
*>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
*Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
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> 1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
> 2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay)
> 4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
> 5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR)
> 6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike)
> 7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy)
> 8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay)
> 9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares)
> 10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart)
> 11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> 12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net>
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> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt
> the
> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
> > pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >
> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
> >> to
> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
> >> I'm
> >>> really jealous of!
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> >>> over
> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
> >> are
> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >> better
> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
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> Hi All,
>
> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would like
> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>> to
> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
> >>> I'm
> >>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> >>>> over
> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
> >>> are
> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>> better
> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block on
> the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam cleat at
> the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line.
>
>
> Michael McKay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Mike,
> >
> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it
> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to adjust
> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This is at
> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hello everyone!
> >>
> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that
> time.
> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make
> any sense.
> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just
> rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was
> Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's
> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
> rotating shaft.
> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize
> it.
> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on
> the bottom of the boom.
> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still
> order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed
> thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make
> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Mike Blagg
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> Scott A.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,
> >
> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would
> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>>> to
> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> stuff
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> hatch
> >>>>> over
> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> that
> >>>> are
> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>>> better
> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400
> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAJGJx+BF3gK+n0Q1_dWqC21aAq4RY+pCt+aZ1DHXGor6YFvrvA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Mike,
> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just runs
> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> Patrick
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex. On
> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> > masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached
> it
> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to
> adjust
> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This is
> at
> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> > less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> > effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hello everyone!
> > >
> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that
> > time.
> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make
> > any sense.
> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just
> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it
> was
> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's
> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> top
> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual.
> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
> rotating
> > shaft.
> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize
> > it.
> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines
> on
> > the bottom of the boom.
> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still
> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed
> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make
> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> > > Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Mike Blagg
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > Name: sail rigging.jpg
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> > > URL: <
> >
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> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, the
> more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on the
> boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in
> the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just runs
> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of
> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it
> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought
> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead
> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head
> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what
> we had done.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998)
> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> > Scott A.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi All,
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would
> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> stuff
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
> they're all
> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> hatch
> >>>>>> over
> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> that
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>>>> better
> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
> you some
> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>>>
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> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
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> *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
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> in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North Carolina.
> General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
> known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the
> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
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>
> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
>
> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I started
> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had been
> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told me
> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t we
> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a Corsaire
> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did not
> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine came
> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very few
> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had a
> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and
> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into one
> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out as
> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their
> investment.
>
> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
>
> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day jobs
> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day
> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so our
> timing was good.
>
> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
>
> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best name I
> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics so I
> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
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>
> *What was your first boat?*
>
> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did not
> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for practically
> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it as
> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who
> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts with
> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things; a
> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too
> much.
>
> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
>
> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart enough
> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They
> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for me.
> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building the
> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a
> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same thing
> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I went
> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, and
> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company
> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing
> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.
>
> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
>
> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but we
> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building
> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years.
> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
>
> *What came after the Picnic 17?*
>
> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says no
> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New York
> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked on
> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it was a
> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What do
> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers saying
> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But there
> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I learned
> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else and
> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes and
> corrections.
>
> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your
> boat?*
>
> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could say
> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said I?d
> rather own it outright and he said fine.
>
> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
> Phillip?s?*
>
> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, the
> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. And
> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on the
> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat
> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. In a
> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a wave
> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at it
> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he didn?t
> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on him.
> By the time he finished he said he liked it.
>
> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
>
> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
>
> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
>
> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a motorboat
> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just
> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it.
> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With all
> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in those
> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
> worked. I started taking orders.
>
> *What year was that?*
>
> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970.
>
> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
>
> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there was a
> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down and
> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I want
> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but
> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take
> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the boat
> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our sales
> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
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> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
>
> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of a
> few, but at least 2,500.
>
> *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
>
> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make up
> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it
> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a double-edged
> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
> business.
>
> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
>
> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It would
> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
>
> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
>
> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.
>
> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
>
> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show to
> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope
> to make 50. *?SCA?*
>
> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan is
> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
> Carolina. *
>
> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and lives
> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
> milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:05:34 -0400
> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> To: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
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> Perhaps the previous owner tucked the loose end into the goose neck
> fitting, so it was not flapping loose during transport?
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it,
> the
> > more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on
> the
> > boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in
> > the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mike,
> > I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> > near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just
> runs
> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
> cabin
> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> Message-ID:
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> >
>
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>
> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached
> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of
> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a
> large hole.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Rhodes 22
> Agile, 1976
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
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> Hi All,
>
> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 were
> the four lower chainplates. There is no way to inspect the factory OEM
> lower chainplates. Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate into the
> plywood core, causing it to rot. This is easily fixed by installing 4
> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, Defender
> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner. With these
> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates thru
> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish. I do not
> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded component,
> especially not when the fix is so easy. Just bite the bullet and do this
> upgrade. You'll never have to worry about it again.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978 Sanford, MI
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached
> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of
> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a
> large hole.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Rhodes 22
> Agile, 1976
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400
> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks for this ? a joy to read again. Vintage Stan ? you can just hear
> him speaking.
>
> Frank
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
> > Pure Stan!
> >
> > Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> > Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> > Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> > To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
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