[Rhodes22-list] Mooring advice

[ROGER PIHLAJA]

Hi Matt,
So the line from the bottom of the mooring ball is leading to the anchor?  I like to use all chain with a shackle and swivel at the mooring ball.  It it somewhat controversial whether to use a swivel or not and where to put it.  I like to put it at the mooring ball because I can inspect it and replace it relatively easily.

I’m surprised the owners of your mooring field don’t have their own rigging guidelines.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2024, at 11:21 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks guys,
> 
> What’s the best way to attach a line to the bottom of the mooring ball. A
> metal shackle and bowline? Anchor hitch?
> 
> The fiberglass appears to be totally intact.  I never found the U ring but
> one of the bolts was still in there broken cleanly some rust present the
> backing plate on my 1990 boat appears to be wood and there was no metal
> plate present either on the outside or inside. We had a sudden gust about
> 40mph maybe a bit more on a windy but sunny day. Thanks for the warning on
> the glass. I’ll look again more closely tomorrow but I didn’t see anything
> as I was installing the new one.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:56 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would go with a double line (3/8 or larger)  that goes through the chocks
>> to the bow cleat. I would not use the bow ring.
>> Graham Stewart
>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 5:05 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Stewart,
>>> 
>>> I know these are general boating questions so thanks for the help. What
>>> size and type of line would you recommend?
>>> 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake MN
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 3:41 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Are you connecting the bow ring to the mooring with chain alone? If so,
>>> you
>>>> run the risk of wearing right through the metal hardware or chain. The
>>>> connection to the boat should  always use lines. You can add a snuber
>> for
>>>> shock reduction.
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 1:04 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I spent a few hours putting in a new, heavier bow ring and then we
>> had
>>>>> folks out for a stunning sunset sail.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes the ring that attaches the boat to the trailer. That ring was
>>>> attached
>>>>> to my mooring and broke from fatigue during a 40 mph sustained gust.
>> I
>>>> use
>>>>> a chain on a mooring on a fairly  large MN lake.  It’s mostly
>> sheltered
>>>> but
>>>>> when those SE breezes come up there is about 1.5 mi of open water so
>>>> there
>>>>> can be a fair amount of wave action on top of sustained 20mph winds
>> at
>>>>> times.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Should I be concerned that the boat fiberglass could be damaged?  Any
>>>>> thoughts on some kind of spring or a better set up?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> HornblowerII
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:13 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Larry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you referring to the ring on the bow which is used to winch the
>>>> boat
>>>>>> onto the trailer?  Does the bow have a big hole where the ring used
>>> to
>>>>> be?
>>>>>> What sort of conditions did it take to do that?  What are you going
>>> to
>>>>> have
>>>>>> to do to repair ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does your boat have bow line chocks?  If yes, then just route the
>>>> mooring
>>>>>> line from the bow cleat thru the line chock and down to the mooring
>>>> buoy.
>>>>>> You could rig a bridle thru each line chock.  But, the boat won’t
>>> ride
>>>>> too
>>>>>> far off center with just one.  I wouldn’t bother with rigging the
>> 2nd
>>>>>> line.  I presume this will be temporary?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I've seen setups where a yoke is created by a line tied at each
>>> end
>>>>> to
>>>>>> the 2 foredeck cleats and leading around the bow, connected to a
>>>> separate
>>>>>> line that goes to the mooring.
>>>>>>> And I am curious about that sheared bow ring.
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>   On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 03:29:27 PM EDT, Matt Wilson <
>>>>>> mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just had a bow ring shear off during a storm.  Any advice on
>>>> mooring
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>> buoy without one…just using the foredeck cleat.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Much appreciated,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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