[Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Roger Pihlaja
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:08:31 -0400
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MessageMichael & Razz,
The mainsail on Tele 2 in the enclosed picture is definitely loose =
footed. However, the mainsail on Stars & Stripes in the picture in the =
September, 2002 issue of SAIL magazine is definitely not loose footed. =
This is probably an evolving area of design & the issue is not settled =
in the IACC. I'm surprised the IACC sailmakers would even consider =
loose footed mainsails, but your picture clearly shows they are. As I =
said in my previous post, I stand corrected on loose footed mainsails.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
http://www.tree.net.nz//dscgi/ds.py/Get/File-3889
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Rasberry=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Since they dropped the twelve meters.
Check the pix
Razz
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From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Since when?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Rasberry=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed mains.
Razz
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From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Richard,
Bullshit! To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a single =
performance oriented sailboat racing class that prefers to use loose =
footed mainsails. I don't know why Doyle has made this marketing =
decision. Fortunately, there are plenty of other choices of sailmakers =
& I would run, not walk, away from this idiot at Doyle.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic eQuilibrium
----- Original Message -----=20
From: R.G. Smith=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
The mainsail on my boat is pretty much shot also. My boat =
is a re-mfg 1990 and I insisted on the old style spars (non IMF) and the =
sail I have is all that Stan had. I got in touch with Doyle regarding a =
new main the sail they suggust has 2 full length battens at the head and =
2 partial battens towards the foot.
The sail they quoted was also loose footed! When I =
expressed surprise I was told that (Doyle) was no longer building mains =
with bolt ropes along the foot. There contention is that a loose footed =
sail set's better and last longer.
Richard Smith
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael & Razz,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The mainsail on Tele 2 in the=20
enclosed picture is definitely loose footed. However, the =
mainsail on=20
Stars & Stripes in the picture in the September, 2002 issue=20
of <U>SAIL</U> magazine is definitely not loose footed. =20
This is probably an evolving area of design & the issue is not =
settled=20
in the IACC. I'm surprised the IACC sailmakers would =
even=20
consider loose footed mainsails, but your picture clearly shows =
they=20
are. As I said in my previous post, I stand corrected on loose =
footed=20
mainsails.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2>Since they dropped the twelve meters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Check the pix</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>Razz</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list-admin@rhod=
es22.org</A>=20
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger =
Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since when?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, =
2002 2:15=20
AM</DIV>
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[Rhodes22-list] Mast=20
Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed=20
mains.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Roger=20
Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF=20
Rating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bullshit! To the best =
of my=20
knowledge, there isn't a single performance oriented sailboat=20
racing class that prefers to use loose footed =
mainsails. I=20
don't know why Doyle has made this marketing decision. =20
Fortunately, there are plenty of other choices of=20
sailmakers & I would run, not walk, away from =
this idiot=20
at Doyle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic =
eQuilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsailnut@asan.com =
href=3D"mailto:sailnut@asan.com">R.G.=20
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, =
August 24, 2002=20
2:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Rhodes22-list]=20
Mast Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>The mainsail on my boat is pretty =
much shot=20
also. My boat is a re-mfg 1990 and I insisted on =
the old=20
style spars (non IMF) and the sail I have is all =
that Stan=20
had. I got in touch with Doyle regarding a new =
main the=20
sail they suggust has 2 full length battens at the head =
and 2=20
partial battens towards the foot.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>The sail they quoted was also =
loose=20
footed! When I expressed surprise I was told that =
(Doyle) was=20
no longer building mains with bolt ropes along the =
foot. There=20
contention is that a loose footed sail set's better and last =
longer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>Richard Smith</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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