[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Tue Sep 21 10:17:35 EDT 2004

I have to jump in here Wally.  If you can't stand Bush, then you must see
that a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Bush.  With his
brother's help, that is how he "won" the last time.  As far as Rik's
comments go:  all politicians may lie, but I count over 1,000 loyal
Americans dead (and God only knows how many Iraqi's - innocent and
otherwise) as a direct result of Bush's lies.  This is a lot different that
a tainted Purple Heart which I have filed in the "who cares" category.

Just one person's opinion.  How would any of you feel if your child or
sibling were among the dead?

Stephen Staum
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

> Rik,
>
> You make some god points. I can't stand Bush but I have a hard time
getting
> behind Kerry. Bush has a doulbe digit lead in TN.  I have voted third
party
> many times in the past and will likely do so this year
>
> Regarding your comment about Bush having the support of Congress and the
> people before attacking Iraq. All memebers of Congress do not have access
to
> the same security infomration as the president.  This is a good thing,
most
> of these elected clowns couldn't be trusted with a real secret. I think it
> is fairly obvious that the President was provided a bunch of infomration
> that really wasn't true. They pitched their case to Congress as well as
the
> UN.
>
> Remember the nifty PowerPoint showing exact locations of terror training
> camps. bomb plants and so on. We supposedly have inside knowledge of what
is
> going on over there yet the inspectors can't find a thing. I for one was
> against attacking when we did even if Iraq did have WMD. We could have
> easily waited a little longer and seen how things played out. We rushed
into
> this thing because of 911. In my minds our leaders took advantage of the
> mood of the country. I don't think we would have attacked iraq when we did
> without 911. When one studies the facts available there is no link to Iraq
> and 911.
>
> We played our hand too early, now we are stuck with it. Now we are
pleading
> for UN support. It looks like everyone agrees that we should send more
> troops to help free Iraq. Bin Laden is still loose and we are wasting
> billions in Iraq.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
> >From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
> >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:35:28 -0500
> >
> >As long as we're on the subject of mis-leading, I just gotta ask:
> >
> >How is it that someone can collect three Purple Hearts in a forty day
stint
> >in Vietnam and spend no time in a hospital. I'll bet his manicurist was
> >really pissed.
> >
> >Myself, I'd be ashamed to accept a Purple Heart for the "owies" Mr. Kerry
> >must have incurred, considering the injuries of some of the people over
> >there that really deserved the medal. But then again I wouldn't be caught
> >dead hanging around with Hanoi Jane either. Just for that fact alone, I
> >wouldn't vote for John Kerry if his opposition was Pat Paulson
> >
> >And wasn't Senator Kerry one of the vast majority of the legislature that
> >voted to go  to Iraq?? Seems to me, the President had the backing of the
> >majority of the American Public AND the blessing of the legislature to
> >boot, going into this thing. Is someone going to try to tell me that
> >Senators and Representatives are not privy to the same intelligence
> >information that the President is? .... Yeah right.
> >
> >I'd sure like to see the name of ONE politician that hasn't done
something
> >that could be considered mis-leading. Mr Kerry, IMHO is pretty close to
the
> >top of the list in this area.
> >
> >So Brad and Steve.....I'm with you :-)
> >
> >Rik
> >
> >
> >At 01:33 PM 9/20/2004, you wrote:
> >>Steve,
> >>
> >>I know it will amaze you to learn that just because you say "End of
story"
> >>that doesn't make it the end of the story.
> >>
> >>On July 13, 2003 Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, when asked
whether
> >>George W. Bush had misled the nation with regard to the threat of
Weapons
> >>of Mass Destruction said "End of story."  But it really wasn't, was it?
> >>
> >>Every weapons inspector who has tried to find the weapons W. warned of
in
> >>his State of the Union Speech, and that Secretary of State Colin Powell
> >>warned of in his United Nations speech, has reported back that there
were
> >>no Weapons of Mass Destruction.
> >>
> >>I call that misleading, and I believe that's what this election is
about.
> >>
> >>Even if he wins, I don't think that will be the end of this story.
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Steve
> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:07 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
> >>
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>Bush received a Honorable Discharge.  End of story.
> >>Last poll I heard was that only 1 in 5 even care about
> >>his guard service and then even its not an issue for
> >>voting on for President.
> >>
> >>As for a Kerry goes, we can debate Bush all day long,
> >>but there is nothing to debate about Kerry; he has no
> >>stance on anything.  His voting record clearing shows
> >>that he cannot be trusted to protect this country.
> >>Again, End of Story.
> >>Steve
> >>
> >>PS - Good attachment Brad.
> >>
> >>
> >>--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bill,
> >> >
> >> > I respectfully disagree with most if not all of your
> >> > assessments, however, time does not permit me to
> >> > formulate a reasoned response this morning.  I do
> >> > have
> >> > one, trust me.
> >> >
> >> > In the meantime, enjoy the attachment.
> >> >
> >> > Brad Haslett
> >> > "CoraShen"
> >> >
> >> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Brad,
> >> > >
> >> > > The point of the National Guard issue is not
> >> > > Vietnam, any more than the Clinton Impeachment was
> >> > > about sex.  Both hinge on the question of
> >> > > Presidential misleading.  George W. Bush ran for
> >> > > President on this issue, saying repeatedly that he
> >> > > would not mislead the American people.  The extent
> >> > > to which he has misled the American people about
> >> > his
> >> > > National Guard record is emblematic of the way he
> >> > > has misled the American People about virtually
> >> > > everything else.
> >> > >
> >> > > And it doesn't matter on which side of the
> >> > political
> >> > > fence you place yourself.
> >> > >
> >> > > Did W. report for duty in Alabama as ordered?  No,
> >> > > he did not.  He wants to mislead you on this
> >> > point,
> >> > > he can't remember where he was; he doesn't
> >> > remember
> >> > > what he did; there isn't a single individual he
> >> > ever
> >> > > spoke to, or reported to while he was there; he
> >> > > knows he got an honorable discharge, so he figures
> >> > > you've got to assume he must have been there.  But
> >> > > he wasn't, and there is ample support for that
> >> > > statement in the records disclosed by the White
> >> > > House, and in follow-up interviews with every
> >> > single
> >> > > person who was there at the time.
> >> > >
> >> > > But the issue is not military records.  It is
> >> > > misleading.  W. has been misleading since he was a
> >> > > kid, and it just doesn't stop.  He misled us about
> >> > > having no connection to the "Swift Boat Captains
> >> > for
> >> > > Truth," he misled us about the environment, he
> >> > > misled us about tax cuts, he misled us about the
> >> > > budget, he misled us about fiscal conservatism, he
> >> > > misled us about free trade, he misled us about
> >> > going
> >> > > after Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he misled us
> >> > > about why we had to go to war with Iraq, he misled
> >> > > us about "Mission Accomplished", he misled us
> >> > about
> >> > > how much the war would cost, he misled us about
> >> > > Halliburton, he misled us about oil, he misled us
> >> > > about Weapons of Mass Destruction, he misled us
> >> > > about Libya, he misled us about France, he misled
> >> > us
> >> > > about Korea, he misled us about "good science", he
> >> > > misled us about his energy policy, he misled us
> >> > > about Enron, he mislead us about the "Axis of
> >> > Evil",
> >> > > he misled us about Social Security, he misled us
> >> > > about 9/11, he misled us about health care costs,
> >> > he
> >> > > misled us about being "a uniter, not a divider,"
> >> > he
> >> > > misled us about "fuzzy math," he misled us about
> >> > > "revisionist history," he ....
> >> > >
> >> > > The idea that people surrounding W. are
> >> > criticizing
> >> > > Kerry for flip-flops is the ultimate in
> >> > unmitigated
> >> > > gall.  W. has taken every side of every issue.  It
> >> > > should be easier to compile a list of things he
> >> > did
> >> > > not mislead us on.  Except that it isn't.  What
> >> > > didn't he mislead us on?
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: brad haslett
> >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:33 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: National
> >> > > Guard Was Hudson River Sailing
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill,
> >> > >
> >> > > Read it!  You have to get up pretty early to beat
> >> > me
> >> > > to the Times, even though I read it with a "grain
> >> > of
> >> > > salt" just like I do the Memphis Commercial
> >> > Appeal.
> >> > > Jason Blair may be gone but his spirit lives on at
> >> > > the
> >> > > "Grey Lady.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here's a link to its real signifigance:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad Haslett
> >> > > "CoraShen"
> >> > > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Nice.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Did you see this one today?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From everything I know they got their facts
> >> > > > straight:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/20/politics/campaign/20bama.html?hp
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bill
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: brad haslett
> >> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:05 AM
> >> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hudson River Sailing
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hey Bill!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Did you see this article in today's NY Times?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/nyregion/19towns.html?hp
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the next long layover in the NYC area I'm
> >> > going
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > try to make it up there.  Might even give them
> >> > > some
> >> > > > money, you know, compassionate conservative I
> >> > am.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Brad Haslett
> >> > > > "CoraShen"
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
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