[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Roger about Einstein

[Roger Pihlaja]

Ed,

I guess that leaves me out as we are still using a dial-up 56k modem.

How about an executive summary?

Roger

----- Original Message -----
From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Roger about Einstein


> Roger:
> Einstein just points, it is not a movie.  I am preparing a follow up
> email that I will send out shortly.  It will have three (3) large
> attachments.  Only those with high speed access should attempt to download
> all three attachments due to their large size.  It is very much in point
> with the nuclear power discussion of the last few weeks.
>
> Ed K
> See following Email.
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Effros
> Ed,
> Thanks for the kind words.
> Does the little "Einstein" character in the attachment do anything except
> point at the blackboard that says, "Check It Out"?
> Roger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:04 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Effros
> Bill:
> Offer your opinions, but cut the inaccurate personal attacks.  Roger
> did not " minimize ... the dangers of the spread of nuclear technology".
> You would do good to leave your plush carpeted office in NYC and
> take a trip to the hinterlands.  Go visit Wally, and let him take you to
> Oakridge's visitor center or come down here and visit Rummy.  He and you
> could visit the Oconee Nuclear Station's visitor center not far from his
> house.  Either would be an enlightening experience to both of you.  You
just
> need to get out of your box for a day or two.  Then you would better
> understand what Roger is saying. I am not saying you would agree with him,
> but you would better comprehend him and speak to him civilly.
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum:  see attachment
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:49 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies
> Rob,
> Roger neglected to mention that North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons
> when Carter and Clinton were in office.  As part of the agreement, they
> had the right to develop nuclear power plants (because unlike Iran, no
> one could say they are awash in oil.)  Under the guise of "peaceful use
> of nuclear energy" they developed bomb materials using a different
> technique than the one prohibited under the terms of their agreements
> with us.
> When our brilliant current President  ("The Great Negotiator" we will
> call him) called North Korea part of an "axis of evil" in January 2002,
> the North Korean government accused Washington of targeting North Korea
> for a "preemptive nuclear attack." In September 2002, the Bush
> administration released a report which emphasized pre-emptively
> attacking countries developing weapons of mass destruction, explicitly
> mentioning North Korea.
> The Great Negotiator, after branding Iraq, North Korea, and Iran as the
> "Axis of Evil", elected to first invade Iraq to find the Weapons of Mass
> Destruction the world knew it didn't have.  The message was clear--Bush
> won't invade if you actually have weapons of mass destruction, so North
> Korea immediately set about proving that it actually had Nuclear
> Weapons.  They didn't have them before Bush.  They may not have them
> now.  But they told us they've now got them.  Just like Iraq, we had
> weapons inspectors as part of the treaty, and we knew they didn't have
> nuclear weapons until "The Great Negotiator" stepped in to save the day.
> The same is true of Iran.  If they've got them now, they didn't have
> them when Carter and Clinton were in office.
> Madame Curie (who died of radiation poisoning) would be spinning in her
> grave if she knew that people like , while at virtually the same time
> blaming others for the spread of nuclear weapons.
> Bill Effros
> PS -- Alfred Nobel had no problem with the spread of dangerous
> technology--he invented dynamite, and became rich manufacturing it, and
> other high explosives, all over the world.
> Roger Pihlaja wrote:
> Rob,
> I'm sorry, since it was only a decade ago, I assumed everyone knew the
> story.  Then President Bill Clinton sent ex-President Jimmy Carter to
North
> Korea to negotiate this deal.
> Carter & Clinton negotiated a treaty which gave the North Koreans massive
> US aid including oil and 2 nuclear power plants in exchange for the North
> Koreans pledge of "Peace In Our Times"!  Carter won the 1994 Nobel Peace
> Prize for brokering this deal.  It just goes to show that even the North
> Koreans can be negotiated with if you just give them whatever they want!
> The North Koreans went on to develop nukes under the cover of a civilian,
> supposedly peaceful, nuclear power program.  The rest as they say is
> history.  It's not partisan, it's a matter of record.
> If it weren't so potentially dangerous, the whole story would really be
> quite amusing.  Poor Alfred Nobel must be spinning in his grave!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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