[Rhodes22-list] Hunting

Thu May 25 18:39:13 EDT 2006

Andrew,

I would love to see the "oficial" mooring recomendation.  Stan explained it to me once whenI was buying the boat but I was even less knowledgable then and am not sure I followed it.

My boat is on jackstands this year - Bill's boat is on my trailer - so I am launching with the hydraulic trailer that is the one you were probably working around when you  launched.  I dont really know where I am on the schedule - the operator launches based on the draft of the boat and the tides - I think that means I will be either early or late on either side of high tide on Sunday.  The hydraulc trailers are pretty amazing to watch - but it sounds like you have already seen one at work.

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach II

----- Original Message -----
From: andrew collins <engineerpac at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting

> Bruce -
> 
> Your set-up sounds like the right way to do it. Justin only gave 
> me one line
> off the ball, Bill E's solution 2 would give me a similar set up 
> to yours. I
> feel this will help. Commodore Spitzer himself drew me a sketch 
> with the
> slack line and recommended it. When CS talks, I listen. If anyone 
> wants to
> see it I'll scan it and post to the list.
> 
> Good luck with the launch. Invite me to spectate or help, I was on 
> the boat
> when Elton launched so I missed the show.
> 
> Wally - I keep the rudder all the way up out of the water and 
> locked in the
> center with the tiller extension in the slot, and a bungee up to 
> the stern
> rail pulling the extension up into the slot because the extension 
> lockingmechanism is a bit worn, and Murphy has a tendency to jump 
> out of the inky
> shadows.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 5/25/06, bgreenwald at optonline.net <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > I don't have a slack line (should I?)  My mooring, which was 
> initially> done by Justin's predecessor but is now maintained by 
> him, has two lines
> > coming off the mooring ball, each ending in a large loop.  I run 
> one of each
> > through a chock on each bow side of the deck and then run each 
> loop around
> > the bow cleat.  The two lines and loops are referred to (by me 
> anyway) as
> > the bridle.  So the upshot is that a line is coming over each 
> side of the
> > bow and tied to the cleat in the center.  I have no idea if this 
> a preferred
> > method of mooring the boat - it is simply using what I have.  I 
> do not have
> > any chafe protection on the lines coming thru the chocks because 
> there is
> > not enough room for both the lines and protection but, like 
> Bill, I have
> > never seen any evidence of chafing.
> >
> > I am hoping to launch Sunday - look forward to seeing you on the 
> water.>
> > Bruce Greenwald
> > S/V Ruach II
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: andrew collins <engineerpac at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:43 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting
> >
> > > Bill & Bruce -
> > >
> > > After more observation it seems that a small planing v-hull 
> motor boat
> > > nearby has very similar behavior. The R22 hull per GBI 
> brochure is a
> > > semi-displacement hull, whatever that means. The motor boat has
> > > similarhull, but more windage due to the cabin.
> > > The deep keel on the bigger sails seems like the stabilizer here.
> > > Yesterdayevening was clamer, but as we all know, contrary to what
> > > the marine
> > > contractors tell you,  the boats in the mooring field were not all
> > > lined up
> > > in the same direction.
> > >
> > > The winds at the mooring are definitely influenced by the nearby
> > > upwind tree
> > > ( the wind was out of the NW these last days), nearby buildings,
> > > the point
> > > itself, etc. creating turbulence. The mooring was put in by Justin
> > > of Old
> > > Greenwich Marine
> > >
> > > Upon mooring the boat for the first time Elton and I both felt the
> > > pendantto be too short. There is also a heavy loop off of the
> > > mooring ball to which
> > > I tied the slack line leading to the bow eye. It is 
> independent of the
> > > pendant. Bruce is this what you call the bridle? It does look like
> > > one.
> > > Per Bill's advice I will:
> > >
> > > First try number 2, observe the results, and then try number 1 by
> > > switchingthe slack line to the center cleat, and put the pendant
> > > on the bow eye with
> > > a snap shackle. Should a thimble be in the pendant eye?
> > >
> > > A science experiment!
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/25/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > I haven't tried this, because I come from the "If it ain't
> > > broke, don't
> > > > fix it" school, but I believe there are 2 things you might try
> > > to lessen
> > > > hunting:
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Moor from your bow eye instead of your bow cleat.  (Put a
> > > slack back
> > > > up on the bow cleat.)
> > > >
> > > > 2.  Loop a line from the bow cleat, over the port side, 
> through your
> > > > mooring line eye, and back over the bow cleat from the starboard
> > > side.> They recommend this for bare boats in the BVI to lessen
> > > hunting, and
> > > > reduce chafing.
> > > >
> > > > Chafing has been a zero problem for me over the 8 years my
> > > Rhodes has
> > > > been on a mooring in Greenwich Cove.
> > > >
> > > > I have a chafe guard over my mooring line where it rubs on 
> the rub
> > > > rail.  I have never even thought about replacing the chafe guard
> > > because> it does not chafe.
> > > >
> > > > I spend a lot of time on my mooring in my boat, and it does 
> not hunt
> > > > very much.  Sometimes on anchor it hunts much more.  Part of it
> > > is where
> > > > your boat happens to be.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Effros
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> > > > > Andrew,
> > > > > It's what is called hunting as others have stated. It is a 
> common> > > trait  with
> > > > > the R22 on a mooring. It's caused by a combination of things
> > > inherent> with
> > > > > the R22 design, not a flaw.
> > > > > I don't know of any sure cure for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
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