[Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers

Wed Apr 11 16:57:44 EDT 2007

Wally,

Neuse Yacht Racing Assoc runs both a "jib and main" and a "spinnaker" fleet.
To compete, boats must get a rating certificate by filling out a measurement
form (honor system) and pay a small fee for either one year or three years.
The PHRF rating is assigned by the local PHRF committee.  The PHRF rules
apply equally for both fleets, so if you have a 170 there is a 9/sec/mile
rating penalty over the 155.  Since I'm not smart enough to make up
9/sec/mile with a 175, I choose to sail with a 155.  I have yet to get my
boat in the water, so haven't raced Raven yet.

Wally, would you pay dues to be a member of the R22 class association?

PT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers

> PT,
>
> I think the basic assumtion assumes same sail configurations. For example
> 155 fore sale rather than 170. I don't really consider myself an
expert....I
> just show up and they assign me a rating. I think there may be standard
> adjustments for spinnakers and larger head sails. I do know that if you
get
> a 270 rating you will have a shot at winning especially in light air.
>
> I also agree with your comment about one design. There is no better way to
> taste your skills.
>
> Wally
>
> >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers
> >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:52:26 -0400
> >
> >Dave,
> >
> >The basic assumption of PHRF is that all boats are sailed by expert
> >skippers
> >and that all boats are optimized for racing.  Think about that and let it
> >sink in for just a moment...
> >
> >Local committees are tasked with the job of re-rating boats to adjust
them
> >for "local conditions", usually based upon the protests, requests or
> >complaints of the losers,  to make everyone as happy as possible and to
> >generate a general feeling that everyone has an equal chance to win on
any
> >given day.  It's a racing system that has more to do with political
> >correctness and allowing all to participate than it does with determining
> >who the best skipper is.  So it's possible that Roger P sailing in
Arkansas
> >could get down-rated to 240 and Bob Dilk could be rated 276 by NC PHRF
and
> >both ratings could be correct, although both had similar standard mast
R22
> >Continentals.  So if the boats aren't really equal and the skippers also
> >aren't really both equally expert, it's got to be the rating that's going
> >to
> >give.  It's winning that kills you in PHRF.
> >
> >One-Design is a much better system, but, in most cases, it's more
difficult
> >to get everyone to show up with the same kind of boat.  Is anyone
> >interested
> >is starting up the Rhodes 22 one-design class association at US Sailing?
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >It seems there is not a lot of interest from the disparate group of R22
> >sailors on this board in all getting together in one spot at the same
time.
> >Why not let's have a bunch of regional meet ups?
> >
> >Elle could host the Lower Cheaspeake, Mary Lou and Fred could host the
> >Upper
> >Cheaspeake,  I would be happy to organize a trip from Blackbeard Sailing
> >Club in New Bern to either Cape Lookout or Ocracoke, Kentucky Lake etc,
> >Rummy's lake etc, etc. etc.   Each could advertize a date and see who
> >comes.
> >
> >Is anyone interested in this idea?
> >
> >PT
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <DCLewis1 at aol.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More on GPS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Wally,
> > >
> > > Re PHRF, Iâ?Tm sure youâ?Tre right. To my knowledge you and PT are the
> >boards
> > > racing resources.
> > >
> > > I am confused about at least one thing, however.  Your post, and your
> >recent
> > > posts, re PHRF indicated it was necessary to declare what sails you
were
> > > using in getting a PHRF - for example you might declare a spinnaker
and
> >that
> > > factor would go into your PHRF.  However, if you search the web there
> >are
> >whole
> > > classes of boats with announced PHRFs, and Iâ?Tve found at least  one
> >site
> >that
> > > will let you compute a PHRF if you know the dimensions of your  boat
and
> >itâ?Ts
> > > sail characteristics (I, J) - I assume they are using the standard
sail
> >plan
> > > for each boat when they make that calculation but I noted there was no
> > > allowance for spinnakers, asymmetrical spinnakers, etc.  So is PHRF
> >something a
> > > committee awards you for a specific race based on what specific  sails
> >you
> > > declare you will be use for that race, or is it a number that is
> >derived
> >from the
> > > basic sail plan for the boat and can be cited, with caution,  for the
> >entire
> > > class of boats?  Or are there different types of PHRFs;  for example,
a
> >club
> > > PHRF and a class PHRF?
> > >
> > > A lot of info on the web gives generic PHRFs - for example there might
> >be
> >a
> > > PHRF for a Ranger 23 or O'Day 19 - with no reference to specific
sails.
> >Are
> > > they all wrong?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
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