[Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers

Thu Apr 12 07:21:54 EDT 2007

PT,

Regarding interest in R22 association...Maybe.......I am not really racing 
any more but what is involved and what are the benefits? There may be others 
who have interest as well.

Wally

>From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:57:44 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>Neuse Yacht Racing Assoc runs both a "jib and main" and a "spinnaker" 
>fleet.
>To compete, boats must get a rating certificate by filling out a 
>measurement
>form (honor system) and pay a small fee for either one year or three years.
>The PHRF rating is assigned by the local PHRF committee.  The PHRF rules
>apply equally for both fleets, so if you have a 170 there is a 9/sec/mile
>rating penalty over the 155.  Since I'm not smart enough to make up
>9/sec/mile with a 175, I choose to sail with a 155.  I have yet to get my
>boat in the water, so haven't raced Raven yet.
>
>Wally, would you pay dues to be a member of the R22 class association?
>
>PT
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers
>
>
> > PT,
> >
> > I think the basic assumtion assumes same sail configurations. For 
>example
> > 155 fore sale rather than 170. I don't really consider myself an
>expert....I
> > just show up and they assign me a rating. I think there may be standard
> > adjustments for spinnakers and larger head sails. I do know that if you
>get
> > a 270 rating you will have a shot at winning especially in light air.
> >
> > I also agree with your comment about one design. There is no better way 
>to
> > taste your skills.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers
> > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:52:26 -0400
> > >
> > >Dave,
> > >
> > >The basic assumption of PHRF is that all boats are sailed by expert
> > >skippers
> > >and that all boats are optimized for racing.  Think about that and let 
>it
> > >sink in for just a moment...
> > >
> > >Local committees are tasked with the job of re-rating boats to adjust
>them
> > >for "local conditions", usually based upon the protests, requests or
> > >complaints of the losers,  to make everyone as happy as possible and to
> > >generate a general feeling that everyone has an equal chance to win on
>any
> > >given day.  It's a racing system that has more to do with political
> > >correctness and allowing all to participate than it does with 
>determining
> > >who the best skipper is.  So it's possible that Roger P sailing in
>Arkansas
> > >could get down-rated to 240 and Bob Dilk could be rated 276 by NC PHRF
>and
> > >both ratings could be correct, although both had similar standard mast
>R22
> > >Continentals.  So if the boats aren't really equal and the skippers 
>also
> > >aren't really both equally expert, it's got to be the rating that's 
>going
> > >to
> > >give.  It's winning that kills you in PHRF.
> > >
> > >One-Design is a much better system, but, in most cases, it's more
>difficult
> > >to get everyone to show up with the same kind of boat.  Is anyone
> > >interested
> > >is starting up the Rhodes 22 one-design class association at US 
>Sailing?
> > >
> > >-------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >It seems there is not a lot of interest from the disparate group of R22
> > >sailors on this board in all getting together in one spot at the same
>time.
> > >Why not let's have a bunch of regional meet ups?
> > >
> > >Elle could host the Lower Cheaspeake, Mary Lou and Fred could host the
> > >Upper
> > >Cheaspeake,  I would be happy to organize a trip from Blackbeard 
>Sailing
> > >Club in New Bern to either Cape Lookout or Ocracoke, Kentucky Lake etc,
> > >Rummy's lake etc, etc. etc.   Each could advertize a date and see who
> > >comes.
> > >
> > >Is anyone interested in this idea?
> > >
> > >PT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <DCLewis1 at aol.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:10 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More on GPS
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Wally,
> > > >
> > > > Re PHRF, Iâ?Tm sure youâ?Tre right. To my knowledge you and PT are 
>the
> > >boards
> > > > racing resources.
> > > >
> > > > I am confused about at least one thing, however.  Your post, and 
>your
> > >recent
> > > > posts, re PHRF indicated it was necessary to declare what sails you
>were
> > > > using in getting a PHRF - for example you might declare a spinnaker
>and
> > >that
> > > > factor would go into your PHRF.  However, if you search the web 
>there
> > >are
> > >whole
> > > > classes of boats with announced PHRFs, and Iâ?Tve found at least  
>one
> > >site
> > >that
> > > > will let you compute a PHRF if you know the dimensions of your  boat
>and
> > >itâ?Ts
> > > > sail characteristics (I, J) - I assume they are using the standard
>sail
> > >plan
> > > > for each boat when they make that calculation but I noted there was 
>no
> > > > allowance for spinnakers, asymmetrical spinnakers, etc.  So is PHRF
> > >something a
> > > > committee awards you for a specific race based on what specific  
>sails
> > >you
> > > > declare you will be use for that race, or is it a number that is
> > >derived
> > >from the
> > > > basic sail plan for the boat and can be cited, with caution,  for 
>the
> > >entire
> > > > class of boats?  Or are there different types of PHRFs;  for 
>example,
>a
> > >club
> > > > PHRF and a class PHRF?
> > > >
> > > > A lot of info on the web gives generic PHRFs - for example there 
>might
> > >be
> > >a
> > > > PHRF for a Ranger 23 or O'Day 19 - with no reference to specific
>sails.
> > >Are
> > > > they all wrong?
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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