[Rhodes22-list] Global warming and Lake Hartwellfreezing over...

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 14:05:51 EST 2008 

Herb,

My thoughts are that the global warming crowd are "useful idiots".  Not that
they are idiots, mind you, they are just serving a useful purpose without
recognizing it.  We have a "religion of peace" problem that is funded by the
hydrocarbons that are unevenly distributed.  I'm all for weaning ourselves
off of the source of funding for these 7th Century barbarians.  Forgive me
if that offends someones multiculturalism sensibilities but, nah, go screw
yourself. The 'global warmers' do have a leftist agenda and that can't be
ignored either.  Gore and Edwards are the epitome of self-serving
hypocrites.  Too bad Tammy Faye Baker died last year. Pity!

Brad

On Jan 4, 2008 12:51 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

>
>   I thought maybe you were headed down the path to an epiphany that I
>   had a few weeks back. Here's what made me think you were:
> I might be inclined to make the sacrifice they're asking for (for
> different rea
> sons)
> except the sacrifice won't be shared universally.
>
>   You didn't go with that where I did, so I'll expound a little.
>   So many people are buying into the "universal sacrifice" lie on this
>   new religion. The FACT is that it's NOT "universal sacrifice", it's
>   just more class seperation.
>   Do you believe for a minute that Gore or Edwards with the "zero carbon
>   footprint" are making the same sacrifices they are asking you and I to
>   make??? People are insane if they believe that.
>   Those two (and I'd hazard to guess the majority of those they run
>   with) achieve their "zero carbon footprint" buy BUYING their way out
>   of it. In their vision of the way things "should be", you and I would
>   be forced to climb into deathraps that get 50 miles to the gallon (and
>   zero survivors in accidents), while they continue to climb in the
>   SUV's and personal jets, and simply buy their way out of it.
>   In other words, government mandated sacrifices for the "commoners",
>   and priviledges for the  wealthy.
>   Now, I don't begrudge the wealthy their wealth, as a matter of fact, I
>   WANT them there, so I can have the freedom to aspire to it myself;
>   however, I don't see the justice in allowing one class of people to
>   buy their way out of government madates, while other classes have to
>   conform.
>   Brad Haslett wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> One of our Christmas day guests was a geophysics professor from an Ivy
> League school. I love discussing plate tectonics with geophysicists
> because
> they can't prove their theories anymore than they can disprove mine. The
> same is true with climatologists. But, the climatologist crowd has funding
> and political clout.  It would all be amusing (as it is with
> geophysicists)
> except the new religion of global warming wants something from us.  I
> might
> be inclined to make the sacrifice they're asking for (for different
> reasons)
> except the sacrifice won't be shared universally. Even if we could prove
> beyond doubt that mankind is responsible for global warming (which we
> can't), 40% of the world (China and India) doesn't give a shit. That
> leaves
> another 50% who hasn't figured out how to use gasoline for anything but
> Molotov cocktails.  You know what, it ain't that cold after all.  I'm
> going
> to the airport to work on my gas guzzling airplane!
>
> Brad
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 10:19 AM, Herb Parsons [1]<hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Sorry, to me it's just more religious techno-babble. You talk about
>  core samples that showed trends thousands of years old, yet the first
>  few lines of the web page you referred to speaks to climate change
>  caused by humans.
>  There IS NO SCIENTIFIC FACTS to support the notion. Not on that web
>  site, nor in the immensely popular religions associated with the stuff
>  today.
>  Even your post indicates your bent - "
> "For those who really are interested in the basis and history of the
> climate
> instead of quoting obscure Russian websites," ...
>
>  As if those of us that don't subscribe to the beliefs (and they are
>  that - beliefs) are somehow not "really interested".
>  Ronald Lipton wrote:
>
> I do know something about this stuff (more than I know about sailing)
> so I will try to outline a bit of the history of the science.
>  Global climate became a subject of study in the 1930's.
> There was some indication then, by looking at the rather sparse weather
> records that there had been some warming over the past century.
> Most took this to be part of a local cycle, but the weather data was
> untrustworthy
> and centered on the Western Hemisphere.  Studies in the 50s and 60s
> focussed on the competing effects of injection of dust and smog, which
> leads
> to
> cooling, and greenhouse gas effects, which would cause warming.  In the
> same period studies began using ice cores and deep ocean sediments of
> climate histories.  Evidence for a 20,000 year cycle developed, with
> larger swings in a 100,000 year period.  This coincides with the period of
> slight deviations of the earth's orbit.  Ice cores showed a pattern
> of rapid warming and slow cooling. These deviations, due to a wobble of
> the
> axis, correspond to a tiny change in the total sunlight absorbed by the
> earth.  This, in turn, led to a realization of the sensitivity of the
> climate system
> to small perterbations.  One of the realizations was that greenhouse gas
> effects could serve to amplify small changes in total sunlight.
>
> On the smaller time scale this was obscured by a slow cooling trend in the
> 50's and 60's.  This led to a period of confusion and contradictory
> predictions.
> At that point climate models were not well enough developed and computing
> power was insufficient to make reliable predictions from first principles.
> Since
> that time the temperature trend has been much more dramatic.  In adidtion
> models have now been developed which can be used to understand the
> climate system.  These models are what global warming predictions are
> based
> on,
> not "gee it's really hot today" or "it sure has been cold this winter".
>  In
> that
> sense climate is more a science that it has been in the past, able to make
> predictions
> based on specific assumptions and verified by it's ability to reporduce
> effects such as the
> el ninos and climatic effects of volcanic eruptions.
>
> For those who really are interested in the basis and history of the
> climate
> instead of
> quoting obscure Russian websites, take a look at the essays posted on the
> American Institute of Physics website:
> [1][2]http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html
>
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rik Sandberg" [2][3]<sanderico1 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Global warming and Lake Hartwellfreezing
> over...
>
>
>
>
> Herb,
>
> Ha ha ha ...... that's a good one :-)
>
> I'm gonna' poke my head up just to make a prediction
>
> Sometime in the future .... the Nobel Prize selection committee (whoever
> they are) will look back at the day they chose to award Al Gore a Nobel
> Prize for his little slide show as the most embarrassing day of their
> lives. They'll likely never admit it though. :-)
>
> Spoken from the perspective of someone who should now be frozen in a
> glacier somewhere, had all the "global cooling" predictions of the
> "chicken littles" come true back in the seventies.
>
> Rik
>
> "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
> sure about the universe."
> - Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>
>
> Ed, haven't you figured it out?
>
> It all relates to the global cooling we were warned about when we were
> kids. The global cooling created a global warming effect trough
> transverse hyper-inversion induction. This global warming, in turn,
> causes localized cooling (on a global scale) through the same process.
>
> I'm going to make a movie to explain it all, just as soon as my
> fundraising kicks in. Want to start it off?
>
> (from the "they'll believe anything" department)
>
> Herb Parsons
> S/V O'Jure - O'Day 25
> S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35
>
>
> Tootle wrote:
>
>
>
> The last few days have been a bit cooler near Lake Hartwell.  Further
> south,
> I hear of snow at Daytona Beach, Florida.  So what is going on?  Look at
> this analysis:
>
> [4][5]http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
>
> So how does that article square with Al Gore?  Go pull you head out of
> the
> sand?
>
> [5][6]http://www.nabble.com/file/p14375865/Lake%2BHartwell%2BAfternoon.JPG
> Lake+Hartwell+Afternoon.JPG
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the
> universe."
> Carl Sagan
>
>
>
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> References
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>  1. [10]http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html
>  2. [11]mailto:sanderico1 at gmail.com
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>  4. [13]http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
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> [14]http://www.nabble.com/file/p14375865/Lake%2BHartwell%2BAfternoon.JPG
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> References
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>   1. mailto:hparsons at parsonsys.com
>   2. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html
>   3. mailto:sanderico1 at gmail.com
>   4. mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>   5. http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
>   6. http://www.nabble.com/file/p14375865/Lake%2BHartwell%2BAfternoon.JPG
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>  13. http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
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