[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Mon May 5 17:57:08 EDT 2008 

Slim,

You can't insult people who don't pay attention, er, pilots.  What if we
were able to dig-up all the dead presidents and test their IQ?  What
difference would it make?  History will measure 43 based on 9/11 forward and
my prediction is - history will be kind in the long run in the long war.
We'll see.

Just like the play Annie, "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, There's Always Tomorrow,
Tomorrow's a Brand New Day".  Who's the best to  take the leading role in
the next act?  Slim, sit down!  I' m not promising anything but for the
first time I'm not vomiting about the thought of voting for Hillary.

Have a nice dinner and digest that!

Brad

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
>
> In the back of my head I was afraid I might insult the pilots.  Not my
> intention.  And you're right, I can't assess the difficulty of flying.
>  Er,
> I mean flying a supersonic fighter jet.
>
> The question was if Bush is the dumbest to hold the office.  Has there
> been
> anyone dumber to hold that office?  Herb wants to make a rhetorical
> argument
> between "average" and "dumb" and I say that if you're the least
> intelligent
> to hold office, then that statement is true.
>
> You say that education don't mean shit.  Do you really mean that?  Sorry
> yours was so useless.  Frankly I value mine.   And I include the school of
> hard knocks in my resume.
>
> Slim
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Slim,
> >
> > You can do better!
> >
> > "Steve of Minneapolis, never achieved fame as a musician, and was
> > therefore
> > condemned to the 'dustbin of history' as a 'near-do-well'."  Stick to
> > judging musicians and I'll stick to telling you who can fly and who
> > "caint".
> >
> > I'll answer the pilot question for you.  You don't survive flying that
> > deathtrap without being a "good stick".  A lot of his peers didn't.
>  Some
> > were shot down in Vietnam but most who died didn't survive the
> instability
> > of that beast in training and routine missions. Try again!
> >
> > "He failed in the oil business".  Slim, you are blowing smoke out your
> ass
> > about your knowledge of the oil business and W's experience with the oil
> > business.  Put your facts on the line and I'll shoot them down like
> > squirrels in the back yard.  Stick to what you know.  W was very
> > successful
> > at finding oil.  You try making a profit at $11 bucks a barrel when lift
> > costs are  $18.
> >
> > I don't have an MBA from Harvard but do sup with folks who do, also,
> > people
> > who have PHd's in hard science from Stanford.  That's impressive but not
> > that impressive.  "Education don't mean shit!"
> >
> > Why are we having this conversation?  The 'accurate' history on the 43rd
> > President won't be written for another 50 years.  In the meantime, we
> have
> > to pick another one.  As one pundit said today, "Hillary has shown a lot
> > of
> > testicular fortitude, maybe she can loan one of hers to Obama so he can
> > have
> > half as many as Hill and Johnny Mack since his are carried around in
> > Michelle's purse"
> >
> > W is history.  MoveOn.org.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > You can quote me on that BTW.
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Re Bush is a dumb ass.  To illustrate my point I'll mention my
> > > sister-in-law
> > > is an anthropology professor, PhD, Fulbright Scholar and one of the
> most
> > > intelligent people I know, taught at Yale for a number of years.  She
> > said
> > > the students who came through were pushy, demanding and full of
> > > entitlement.  In other words, snotty, rich brats.  She did not say
> they
> > > were
> > > all smart.  Presumably they were not all dummies either.  Like
> > everything
> > > else, some are high on the scale and some not so much.  She now
> teaches
> > > back
> > > home here in Minnesota and guess what?  Her students here read the
> same
> > > books, are assigned the same homework, write the same term papers,
> held
> > to
> > > the same standards and are graded under the same scrutiny as her
> > students
> > > at
> > > Yale.  No teachers dumb down their work because they're NOT at an ivy
> > > league
> > > school.  Conversely we can conclude that students at Yale are not
> > > necessarily put through any more rigor than those at the University of
> > > Minnesota.  Because Bush graduated from an ivy league school with a C
> > > average does not mean he's smart.  Take away his daddy and all that
> > money
> > > and privilege and all those connections and Georgie graduates with a C
> > > average from North Texas State instead.
> > >
> > > He was a pilot.  I'm not, but again I presume it's like everything
> else.
> > > Some are high on the scale and some not so much.  I'll defer to the
> > pilots
> > > here on the Rhodes list:  is it possible for a man with average
> > > intelligence
> > > to learn to fly?  I'm sure he worked hard to learn and by no means do
> I
> > > belittle the rigor of flight training, but I know there's a big
> > difference
> > > between being a reserve pilot and an ace.  I don't recall hearing
> > anything
> > > about him winning any awards, honors, medals or any great success
> flying
> > > any
> > > dangerous missions.  He saw no combat.  In fact it's rumored that he
> > went
> > > AWOL.  I know that's only rumor but I'm unaware of any evidence that
> he
> > > distinguished himself as a great pilot either.  I don't see how his
> > > (questionable) service record qualifies him as any genius.
> > >
> > > I think a better measure of a man's intelligence is the man himself.
> >  How
> > > he
> > > presents himself, how he writes (Bush is the first and only president
> > > whose
> > > never published anything) how he speaks (the poor guy can barely put a
> > > sentence together) and his decision-making.  hmmmmm...
> > >
> > > He failed in the oil business.  Not sure how he did with the Texas
> > Rangers
> > > but they didn't win any championships.  What good is this guy, really?
> > > What's to like?  Herb likes that he does what he says he's going to
> do.
> > > Well, he said he would bring the perpetrators of 9-11 to justice.
> >  Hasn't
> > > happened.  Instead, looks what a mess created in the middle east.
>  He's
> > > getting everybody EXCEPT the perps.
> > >
> > > I do respect the office of president but I don't see one shred of
> > evidence
> > > that this guy is any smarter than the average shmuck and that's just
> not
> > > good enough to be president.  He's not smart--he's lucky.  Again, take
> > > away
> > > Daddy and is he still the president?  Not in a million years.
> > >
> > > Slim
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rummy,
> > > >
> > > > Don't forget the business cycle - what goes around comes around!  I
> > > cashed
> > > > in some of my international chips to buy my airplane (worse than
> boats
> > > for
> > > > money pits, definitely not investing).  Commodities are at a 200
> year
> > > high
> > > > because of demand from India and China.  They have their own cycle
> as
> > > > well.
> > > > China has significant problems to face down the road and can't keep
> > the
> > > > current pace going forever.  I manage a pretty good chunk of change
> > for
> > > a
> > > > Chinese investor (who has a similar education as mine, an accounting
> > > > degree
> > > > in China with a US MBA from a high profile school) in US muni-bonds
> -
> > > same
> > > > deal as you in reverse.  It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If I
> > knew
> > > > where the market was going to be in a year I'd be out shopping for a
> > > > Gulfstream instead of busting knuckles on an old Bonanza.
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:42 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brad,
> > > > > The code isn't difficult to break. Just take a look at the global
> > > > economy
> > > > > and see who and where the money is being spent. Natural resources
> > such
> > > > as
> > > > > steel
> > > > > as an example. China and India are buying steel at an incredible
> > rate.
> > > > > Then
> > > > > there is the shipping company's and the company's that build the
> > > ships.
> > > > > Enough
> > > > >  said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 7:34:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Congrats!  You broke the code.  In the long  run, the US economy
> is
> > a
> > > > safe
> > > > > bet but I've been about a third vested in  international for over
> a
> > > > decade
> > > > > and it's worked out as a good hedge.   The dollar just started
> > moving
> > > up
> > > > > against the euro last week and traders  are placing their bets on
> > the
> > > > > dollar's rise.  Defining exactly what is  international isn't
> > exactly
> > > > > easy.
> > > > > My employer does business worldwide, same  as GE, Boeing, etc.
>  Good
> > > > luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at  6:26 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Brad,
> > > > > > The  answer to where my investments are held is that they are
> not
> > in
> > > > > this
> > > > > >  country. Our economy is way to unstable at this time.
> > > > > > I am invested in  international company's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a  message dated 5/4/2008 9:52:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > >  flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earth to   Frone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you catch the snippet from Rummy the other day that  his
> > > > >  investments
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > doing well?  You think he  invested in Castro's Cuba  or the
> > country
> > > > > that
> > > > > > dumbass Bush  destroyed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, May  4, 2008 at  8:13 PM, <FCrawford0707 at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >  >  In a message dated 5/3/2008 8:28:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> >  Time,
> > > > > > >  R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >  > Herb,
> > > > > > > This isn't about me  or my mother. This is a  discussion about
> > >  the
> > > > > > dumbest
> > > > > > > SOB
> > > > > > >   that has ever taken the oath of office. I didn't  call you
> on
> > > > >  breaking
> > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > rules, that was someone else.
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  Rummy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >  > Rummy - good for you to have the guts to  say it as it is.
> > > > Although
> > > > > >  there
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > more to it  than  dumb - Bush has done so much damage to our
> > > country
> > > > >  in
> > > > > >  a
> > > > > > >  mere
> > > > > > > 8 years that one wonders if he could  have been worse had  he
> > >  been
> > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > >  > damage us.  It is hard to find a single  policy  that  favors
> > the
> > > > > people
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > country over   whatever special interest he happened  to favor
> > on
> > > a
> > > > > given
> > > > > >  >  day.
> > > > > > > Then there was the "proclamation" that if  you  "considered "
> > > >  sailing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > Cuba,
> > > > > > > your  boat was subject to  confiscation.   Thanks for your
> > candor
> > > -
> > > > >  Bush
> > > > > > > will  be
> > > > > > > ranked either just above or just  below   Buchanan.
> > > > > > >        Frone  Crawford
> > > > > > >   s/v Sunday  Morning
> > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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